terror twilight

that was me. though i think maria likes pavement fine.

haha, i love this album. might not be the pavement album i reach for all the most, but i like it whenever i do reach for it. looking at the tracklisting now, i don't think there's a single song I don't like on it ... which i can't say about BTC these days. though the live versions of some of this stuff might be better, esp. "folk jam."

pavement threads on ILM are always funny. WHAT IS THE BEST ALBUM!?

I feel I need to listen to this now. Oddly enough I watched Slow Century last night

I pretty much hate the Nigel Godrich production (I usually do!) and at least half the songs are either cringeworthy or aimless but "Spit on a Stranger", "Major Leagues", and "Carrot Rope" are all aces

yesss carrot rope

The Hexx is the jam too

I like Cream Of Gold. It is my least favourite Pavement album though. And not because it doesn't sound like S&E, I like Brighten The Corners just fine.

the problem with it is its the beginning of SM's guitar noodling-focused solo career and it sounds like it

Yeah -- BTE is my favorite Pavement.

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Shakey, there's hardly any noodling on the first and third solo albums.

I think I like the first Malkmus solo better than TT. He saved all the good songs for that one I reckon

ugh I got rid of that first solo album almost immediately - altho I think it was the horrible lyrics more than the tuneless guitar playing that turned me off it.

Church on White was nice.

off came those awful toe rings = off came that awful record more like

I am a non-lover of Pavement (a liker, though) and I think it's great. I bought it because I loved "Spit on a Stranger" and wanted to put it on mixtapes (I was 14!! and had only heard Slanted). "Folk Jam" what is wrong with that? It's funny! I love the song "Billie," am i the only one? Once me and a buddy were smoking bowls and looking through old CDs and I pulled it and skimmed it looking for "Billie" and he says to me "This is easily the most boring thing that you listen to" and he may have been right. When the chorus came on he was nodding his head, though, cause man that chorus rocks!

"Billie" did the slow fadeout better than Radiohead at the time -- and it's funnier.

I forgot the line about architecture students! "Never build a building 'til you're 50, what kind of life is that?" This is so good.

My boyfriend & I in high school got in a tiff about whether "carrot rope" was about a wang. He'd asked me once if I thought it was about a wang and I had apparently said no in a manner that suggested he was screwy for even asking the question. But we were listening to it one day and when I said it was "an awesome song about a wang" he got mad and said I was always trying to make him feel like a pervert.

I pretty much hate the Nigel Godrich production (I usually do!) and at least half the songs are either cringeworthy or aimless but "Spit on a Stranger", "Major Leagues", and "Carrot Rope" are all aces

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, August 6, 2008 3:44 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark

^^^this. the drumming didn't help either

This album is the pits. Listened to it on a road trip recently for the first time since it came out, and somehow liked it even less this time. What a mess.

love this album.

"the Hexx" also belongs in Shakey's good song pile.

Yeah, I gave this album yet another chance recently (don't hate it but also don't plan on playing it much) and The Hexx actually did stick out as good. Still like the Fall cover best of everything related to TT.

I always liked Ann Don't Cry. The melody gets me.

If it wasn't a Pavement album would more people not hate it so much? Assuming nobody would have an issue with how derivative it would be of Pavement if it were in fact somebody else's.

I like Terror Twilight great! I like it + S&E and the rest I never much tried to get into.

I really hope they end up giving this record the reissue treatment next year. Since the band is reforming, I'm guessing this will be a go. So excited!

"I like Terror Twilight great! I like it + S&E and the rest I never much tried to get into."

Either end and nothing in-between? Thats a strange one.

i think pavement should only play songs from this on their comeback tour

also: 'date w/ikea', 'hit the plane down', etc.

jesus, atp is starting to sell out already and they have announced no other acts

listening

such a great record

interesting full-circle level to it: godrich's production is basically adding a level of highbrow worked-over grot insted of the actual accidental grot of the early stuff

rocks in the old man sense of 'rocks': is propulsive and rhythmic, good chemistry; not rocks in the sense of 'it is loud and fast'. i mean it rocks like jefferson airplane or whatever

"your kiss like a rock but you know i need it anyway" etc etc i could quote a lot of malkmus but you all know how it works. anyway is the focus on this sort of thing* why ppl think it sounds like a first malkmus solo album?

*by which i mean 'admitted emotional referents'

nb. malkmus hasn't actually released any solo albums, so i'm kind of confused whenever people try that one

"Carrot Rope"'s arrangement was beyond Malk until 2003, so the argument that TT is an unofficial solo album mystifies me.

I'm hearing this as a really nice Abbey Road kinda sendoff.. lots of good stuff on here.

So I read that Perfect Sound Forever book over the weekend, and they had Noel Goodrich's song sequence. Apparently, he was surprised that the album producer didn't get to pick the track order.

1.) Ground Beef/Platform Blues
2.) The Hex
3.) You Are the Light
4.) Jesus in Harlem/Cream of Gold
5.) Ann
6.) Folk Jam
7.) Major Leagues
8.) Terror Twilight/Speak, See, Remember
9.) Carrot Rope
10.) Shaghag (dropped noise thing)
11.) Billie
12.) Spit on a Stranger

I'm kinda down with it starting out with Platform Blues, but I think in the end, Spiral knew what he was doing.

Might have been a more interesting-sounding record. Think that sequencing might actually work.

Still wanna know what SS's sequence was for a 12-track Wowee Zowee.

isn't that in that book too? or am i imagining it.

It mentioned it, but didn't list it.

still no word on what's going to be on the terror twilight reissue? would be cool if there were godrich-free early versions of these songs.

Godrich ruined this record

i don't mind godrich too much, but he seems wholly unnecessary here.

if there were a poll of producer/performer mismatches I would put this somewhere near the top

speaking of that perfect sound forever book, there's a funny bit about the TT sessions where it says that Godrich never learned Bob Nastanovich's name...

wonder if there would've been a good producer fit for pavement? Obv they got Mitch Easter, but he didn't really do all that much to the sound, I don't think.

David Briggs

i think david briggs would've scared pavement.