Frank Kogan's forthcoming "Real Punks Don't Wear Black"

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This is going to be hotter than the Koran. 2005 is for Jumbo Frank - watch him walk correct, like the Sisqo video when Sisqo stomps on the sand and the screen shakes because that's how powerful his feet are.

LeCoq (LeCoq), Thursday, 9 June 2005 07:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Remember, says Kogan, this is about you, too. Keep your mind alive, your hairstyle in flux, and your tongue sharpened. Whether you’re a gutterpunk or a cultstud geek, you’re a bigger part of the story than you may realize

see that's a valid point rarely made so i'm onside.

never heard of him mind you.

piscesboy, Thursday, 9 June 2005 10:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Sure you've heard of him. He's the guy who played dual roles in 48 Hours. He was the man in the mask and the man who lost an ear.

(Or maybe that was Blue Velvet.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link

You've read this thread, you've heard of him. I'm quite into this book.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 9 June 2005 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Reading this thread makes me think that the catalog copy is better than I'd feared. Sure, you say that the Nick 'n' Eddie comparison is weak, but you all noticed it, didn't you? So eight months from now when the media blitz is in full swing (do blitz's swing?), and you come across mentions of "Frank Kogan's Real Punks Don't Wear Black, you'll say to yourself, "Yeah, the name's familiar... right! He's the guy who did the Eddie Murphy bit in 48 Hours, or wrote about set in a car with Eddie, or something. I'll have to take a look!"

In later promo material we did delete the 48 Hours reference, as it's too much a non sequitur, but in the catalog it may in fact serve a purpose.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

"Wrote about set in a car with Eddie"? That's what happens when my typing runs faster than my thinking. I'm not sure what I was trying to say, maybe that the book is set in a car with Eddie Murphy. (It's certainly not sex in a car with Eddie Murphy. That would be a low way to sell a book.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Yay!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

So eight months from now when the media blitz is in full swing... you'll wish you had told Frank how great he is so he will have sent you an autographed copy for free! Hail Frank! .... ?

!!

geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

How many people these days even remember 48 Hours? Maybe Bruce Willis & Cybill Shepherd in Moonlighting would be a better reference point.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Not by much.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:35 (eighteen years ago) link

frank has mic skillz. i want this book.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 9 June 2005 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

five months pass...
From today's Publishers Weekly:

Kogan has been writing about music for some 35 years—for his own blogs; for his zine, Why Music Sucks; as well as for Spin, Radio On and the Village Voice. For this anthology, he's included everything from juvenile high school essays and silly college poetry to some extremely seasoned discussions of punk and hard rock. This collection is much like the music it describes: some polished, some ragged. Readers can browse around and find their own favorite material. Kogan is great, for instance, at explaining the dynamics of punk clubs: why the performers have to insult their audiences or else they're "contaminated" by their acceptance. Unlike most music critics, Kogan's omnivorous, willing to consider music that makes him "feel things that I don't want to feel, so I have to rethink who I am, where I place myself." For example, he loathed Ohio Express's "Yummy Yummy Yummy" when he was 13, but loved it at 18. "I value most the music that I like despite myself," he writes. "The bands that change me are the ones that win me over." Readers, beware: the raunchy rap lyrics and free-floating expletives may turn off some. (Feb.)

Derek Krissoff (Derek), Monday, 14 November 2005 14:17 (eighteen years ago) link

'raunchy' is always the word that comes to mind, with frank kogan.

Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 14 November 2005 14:54 (eighteen years ago) link

"Raunchy rap lyrics and free-floating expletives!"
Publisher's Weekly

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 14 November 2005 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link

"pretty good"
- cozen

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 12:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Is this out in the shops? If not, when is the UK date?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 12:41 (eighteen years ago) link

dunno the due date

I got an uncorrected proof

pretty good

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Isn't the date February '06, like, "everywhere"?

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 15:51 (eighteen years ago) link

ooh cozen u monkey

ysi? photocopier?

hold tight the private caller (mwah), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

"Real Punks Know Ashlee Simpson Ain't One of Them"

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 17:36 (eighteen years ago) link

So does this book contain that whole "people who use critical theory are just avoiding the direct expression of their hopes and fears" argument in a more elaborate form? I remain curious about his position.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

Cozen you, erm, owe me -- this is what SR said over on Blissblog:

Frank Kogan’s book (don't have a heart attack when you clock the price, there's a ppbk version too) looks amazing at a quick skim. As you'd expect, it's highly unorthodox in its structure and provenance. As well as Village Voice reviews and Why Music Sucks rants, there's an email reply to Geeta, chunks of ILM commentary, interviews with the author from rockcritics.com, unpublished Pazz N' Jop commentaries about 15 times longer than the longest blurbs they ever print, and--piece de resistance--a letter to Voice managing editor Doug Simmonds, with Kogan complaining that the paper is failing to utilise his intellect (the largest, Frank writes, and most self-questioning in all of rockcrit--bigger than Frith’s, bigger than mine, bigger than Bangs', and Meltzer's doesn't count because it's out of service!) to the fullest. All this and an acknowledgements list that takes in virtually everybody in this community and runs for pages. The dedicatee, naturally, is Chuck Eddy.

SR linked it to this page.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link

".... chunks of ILM commentary"

So what are we going to spend our share of the royalties on?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:31 (eighteen years ago) link

gum.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:36 (eighteen years ago) link

http://b4images.blackwell.co.uk/images/jackets/l/08/0820327530.jpg

Is that Frank on the cover? I always imagined he had a beard for some reason.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:39 (eighteen years ago) link

So does this book contain that whole "people who use critical theory are just avoiding the direct expression of their hopes and fears" argument in a more elaborate form?

I thought frank was that more elaborate form

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:46 (eighteen years ago) link

(... means I'm not sure)

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link

In Soviet Russia, critical theory uses YOU!

karlmarxico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 00:57 (eighteen years ago) link

i wish they'd used the rockcritics.com pic of him playing the accordion!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 05:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Billy, I do have a beard. That picture's 20 years old. Since then I transferred hair from pate to chin.

David, do you still have that picture I sent you last year w/ good-looking friend and beard? I lost the file for it in the great computer crash of '04. Anyway, you can post it if you'd like.

(My rationalization for using the old picture is that since the writing covers a span from 1970 to 2004, I'm justified in using one that plops in the middle at 1985.) (To be honest, the vast majority dates from after 1985.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

And here's a link to the paperback version.

(They really shouldn't even be listing the hardcover, since my understanding is that it's only going to be available to libraries.)

And here's the link for those of you who use U.S. currency.

And Asian.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link

I only pay for things in Byzantine solidii.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Frank, I know it's a ways off but is the book getting interest and reviews anywhere? Since I work for one, I'm curious to see whether being on acadameic press helps or hurts in terms of where this is considred for review.

G-Mart, Friday, 2 December 2005 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link

i'm sad to hear thats an old pic, i thought the haircut was er.. brave for 2005.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 2 December 2005 19:52 (eighteen years ago) link

No bookstore tour (or sales) till February 2006?

curmudgeon, Friday, 2 December 2005 19:55 (eighteen years ago) link

the uga library don't have this book (yet?) :(

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Once more, with feeling, does this book contain that whole "people who use critical theory are just avoiding the direct expression of their hopes and fears" argument in a more elaborate form?

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

does it touch on how its kinda passive-aggressive?

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 2 December 2005 23:49 (eighteen years ago) link

the uga library don't have this book (yet?) :(

it isn't out for three months!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 3 December 2005 00:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sorry if I'm coming off like I'm baiting Mr. Kogan by asking that- it really is a sincere question, I would love it if the answer was "yes it does have that in it", because I would like to read it and (full disclosure) I would like to teach a text along those lines. The only thing I've run into lately that made vaguely similiar moves was a catalogue essay by Kathy Grayson but it was about the art world and had a different angle.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Saturday, 3 December 2005 01:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Not out for three months! Typical for a University press I guess. A private entity would want to have it out and available for the holidays.

curmudgeon (Steve K), Saturday, 3 December 2005 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link

i was actually hoping to ask for it for christmas

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 3 December 2005 02:20 (eighteen years ago) link

just to make things clear, i wasn't referring to anyone's post as passive-aggressive. more just throwing out incomprehensible pieces my own frustration about the cult of not owning up to own's personal experience with music (art), in order to somehow control it or even nullify it. i have no idea if this has anything to do with kogans theories. i do think that these days, people use other thinker's constructs (including critical thoery) in the wrong ways, for wrong reasons ...like the above which i do think is obviously about fear more than some new idea that there is some baseline of experience we all understand connect too...which has all been mapped out in the past.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:05 (eighteen years ago) link

oi, i'm not really getting my ideas across. maybe i should use someone elses.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 3 December 2005 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I do sort of understand why people use theory as a shield in that sense, though--I do it a lot myself. It's because it's hard to write well and interesteingly about yourself without feeling maudlin or vain or wondering if you're giving too much away. Sometimes it's easier to tell the through when you're wearing a mask. Not always, but nothing is "always" anything, y'know?

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 3 December 2005 07:07 (eighteen years ago) link

haha "tell the through." tell the TRUTH.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Saturday, 3 December 2005 07:19 (eighteen years ago) link

i sense that's definitely part of it. it lends itself to a potentially uncomfortable and sticky approach with regard to exposure, yeah, and questions about value of that/ie. self-indulgence and also there's alot of oppurtunity for confusion. And while i think this type of writing IS obviously way more personal than its counterpart?, it does not have to be "self-plagairism"/emotional diarhhea etc - it only feels that way b/c a. it is harder and people don't practice this anymore so they are awkward at it b. writers may not see the potential/relationship between this and developing their own theories (that is only something people 50 years ago could do) so it feels like an undesirable exercise in letting your ass hang out d. there seems to be peer pressure to avoid this approach.

i also think its possible people (and maybe particularly masculine types) in general have a hard time reconciling parts of their experience with art and their intelligence. for instance, on ILM we talk this way about rock alot, but less so about disco. and it's interesting that you see WAY less of this type of writing in europe, particularly spain/italy/france maybe too. men are warmer there...just ask mareisa sabiel.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 4 December 2005 00:34 (eighteen years ago) link

"for instance, on ILM, we talk this way about rock a lot, but less so about disco" ---i'm referring to the masculininity (not intelligence) inherent in rock. i had added the parentheses around masculine types later.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 4 December 2005 00:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't follow you, Susan. People talk about the masculinity about rock in masculine ways on ILM? And what do you mean by "reconciling parts of their experience with art with their intelligence?"

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 4 December 2005 01:15 (eighteen years ago) link

i was trying to say that maybe intellectuals have a hard time finding a way to explain how their appreciation for music is basic/emotional yet mind-based at the same time,b/c they see a disconnect between it all. and that maybe this is cultural issue, but also more associated with men or with masculinity -i see it cropping up more in the rock (which i feel is a more masculine pursuit) discussions on ILM and less so in the disco discussions where people build more from the ground up.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 4 December 2005 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link


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