(Lemonade, there's this thing called 'radical subjectivity' which I encourage you to search the archives for, though more on ILM.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:25 (eighteen years ago) link
Lemonade, you may draw what you like from that as you will. I am not asking you to change your way of thinking, believe it or not, but I would like to ask you to consider how mine works.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:29 (eighteen years ago) link
Anyway, I found this: Does subjectivity really have a place in a serious argument concerning music? and... long drawn out philosophy made simple: I think everyone has an opinion but outside of those opinions all we have are certain words to describe reality objectively. Perhaps "inspired" is too esoteric a word choice to argue a point. I think the show is definitely loopy and has a unique draw that may not appeal to everyone. How's that? Boring? :D
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link
Lemonade, are you seriously arguing (as you appear to be) that the writer weren't trying to be "loopy and inventive"? I think that's where you and Ned have common ground, you both think that that's what they were shooting for, but you disagree as to whether they hit it.
As for saying "many people consider this subjective opinion to be true", that is, if you'll pardon my French, a prick's game.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 23 April 2005 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link
Writer #1: "Now that is fuckin' funny! Ha, ha, ha!"
All writers: (riotous laughter)
Writer #2: "Ooooh, man. Ohhhh, shit."
Writer #3: "That situation is kind of like this other situation..."
(and there's your rolling segue)
Writer #4: "It's totally the opposite of this other situation..."
No, I don't think it they were TRYING to be loopy and inspired, I think they just WERE. They came at comedy from every angle and tried to cram as many jokes as they could into a single episode.
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Maria :D (Maria D.), Saturday, 23 April 2005 15:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 16:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 23 April 2005 17:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 23 April 2005 17:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 17:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 23 April 2005 17:31 (eighteen years ago) link
"if you don't like it, go take a dump in your hat."Don't you mean on the American flag?
― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 23 April 2005 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 23 April 2005 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link
I can sort of see how if you don't get that vibe, it could be a really good show, but it's a bit like "if an elephant was small, white and round, it'd be an aspirin".
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 23 April 2005 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 18:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 18:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 18:34 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 23 April 2005 18:56 (eighteen years ago) link
Oh really. Sure he wasn't just trying to be funny?
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 19:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 23 April 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 23 April 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 19:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 23 April 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link
"Take it from me, I love you!"
― Ian Riese-Moraine has a grenade, that pineapple's not just a toy! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 23 April 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link
scott so fucking OTM today. lemonade salesman, too.
― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 23 April 2005 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link
btw, when was the last time you were funny? i'm thinking it was well before you threatened to get in a fistfight with roger adultery.
― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 23 April 2005 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lemonade Salesman (Eleventy-Twelve), Saturday, 23 April 2005 21:25 (eighteen years ago) link
The show is certainly inconsistant, but they had some really incredible material. Both Mr. Show and the Upright Citizens Brigade tv show had some interesting ideas about working improv and live sketch formats into a television show, but I think both ultimately make the case for the supremecy of the live experience. (although Arrested Development plays with some of the same tools in a manner much more effective for television)
― C0L1N B.. (C0L1N B...), Saturday, 23 April 2005 21:37 (eighteen years ago) link
Hm...all right, let me serve up an example -- one sketch I found egregriously painful was the one in the restaurant where the staff is all falling over themselves to take care of the dude when he poops. So, was that a 'fake' sketch (and was I apparently unaware not to notice?)? (I'm not objecting to that approach -- see also SCTV, MST3K, etc. -- but I don't think it worked well here.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 21:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 21:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 23 April 2005 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 23 April 2005 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link
like ILX is a good arbiter of what's funny. get off yo own nuts!!
― ()ops (()()ps), Saturday, 23 April 2005 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link