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Its comfortable, lazy stuff without much insight without much wit without much humour

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Thursday, 14 October 2021 19:14 (two years ago) link

In other words, bad comedy.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 October 2021 19:32 (two years ago) link

That Richard Pryor goes a bit beyond “uncomfortable truths”:

Motherfuck women’s rights. The b*tches don’t need no rights. What they need to do is pay the people on welfare.


[Feels like it should be censored more or not at all? Idk.] It’s somewhat more understandable given the circumstances, but aside from Pryor’s well-known proclivity for coke, it’s basically rooted in the same zero-sum conception of human rights as Chappelle’s schtick.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Thursday, 14 October 2021 19:45 (two years ago) link

I mean, his anger in that moment was for sure an uncomfortable truth.

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:23 (two years ago) link

(Compared to DC's documented years if not decades stewing about how good the LGBTQ community allegedly has it.)

i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:24 (two years ago) link

Not just anger, but alienation.

Sometimes, as at the Hollywood Bowl, Pryor slammed into the fact that he wasn’t in Peoria any more and that he had lost that community; that no matter how large his estate in the San Fernando Valley, he would continue to feel out of place; that no matter how high he rose in Hollywood’s pecking order, his sensibility would never match up with that of its right-thinking, liberal precincts. The debacle at the Bowl left him reeling, besieged. As the controversy raged on, Pryor did not calm the waters by issuing an apology.

Instead, he continued to act out the polarities of his Hollywood Bowl performance in his own life. In the week following the gay rights benefit, he made two impulsive and startling commitments. The first was to his on-off lover Deboragh McGuire, whom he proposed to and married within the space of a few days. The second was to an experimental piece of gay theatre – a monologue by a little-known actress named Kres Mersky that nowadays would be labelled performance art, and queer performance art at that – which he included in his primetime TV show in total defiance of NBC. As part of his segue into that monologue, Pryor camped it up as Little Richard, with the high pompadour, glittering cape, and leering lusciousness that were the trademarks of Little Richard’s gender-bending style. In that costume, Pryor blew air kisses to his audience with a twinkle in his eye.

... (Eazy), Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:47 (two years ago) link

In my opinion, he is punching on LGB and more specifically trans people because doing so has been extremely lucrative for him (and by extension Netflix).

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:55 (two years ago) link

that even managed to make me feel bad about watching it

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:55 (two years ago) link

I mean, guessing his actual motives is admittedly Chappelle Fan Fiction, but I wager that nearly two decades being hailed as America's Great Truth Teller Revealing Our Great American Truths, he's just not used to having to respond to pressure with admitting he's actually in the wrong here? It all could have been deaded like three specials ago even if he just gave an insincere apology and moved on

licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 14 October 2021 21:04 (two years ago) link

Zinoman:

The first time Dave Chappelle wanted to quit a TV show, he didn’t do it. After shooting the pilot of his soon-to-be-forgotten 1996 ABC sitcom, “Buddies,” an amiable comedy about an interracial friendship, the network fired his co-star Jim Breuer, which led Chappelle to tell his manager he wanted to quit.

He was talked out of it, and the show got poor reviews and was canceled after five episodes. When I interviewed one of the co-creators, Matt Williams, several years ago for an e-book about Chappelle, he told me he wished he had built more conflict between the leads. “Then you could capitalize on the charisma of Chappelle,” he said. “But he was different then. He was impish. He was playful, innocent. No danger.”

As controversy boils over Chappelle’s latest special, “The Closer,” I have been thinking about what lessons he might have learned from this early failure. At Comedy Central, he famously did quit and returned with a new mystique. In his current incarnation, he leans hard into conflict, and part of his enduring popularity is his ability to manufacture a sense of danger.

In his last special, “Sticks and Stones,” Chappelle took aim at the audience and cancel culture, made many jokes about transgender people and defended Kevin Hart, who had lost the job of hosting the Oscars because of protests over old homophobic tweets. Chappelle earned backlash, negative reviews and the sympathies of the right-wing media, which has become invested in issues of comedy and free speech in the Trump era.

OK, so what did Dave Chappelle do for his next act? Take aim at cancel culture, mock trans people and bring up the same trans friend he mentioned in the last special. By the time he defends Hart again (even if losing the Oscars was the worst injustice known to man, does it deserve two specials’ worth of protest?), you might be feeling a sense of déjà vu.

A few days before “The Closer” premiered, Chappelle predicted he would be canceled; a few days later, he appeared at the Hollywood Bowl at the premiere of his new documentary and talked again about being canceled. The fact that no one thinks Dave Chappelle will be canceled, whatever that means to you, is beside the point.

This rollout was a performance of danger. Of course, what is dangerous is an open question. “The Closer” courts outrage with dopey attacks on #MeToo, and jokes linking Asian people to Covid, but mostly with the subject he has been fixated on for years: transgender people.

When Jaclyn Moore, a showrunner for the Netflix series “Dear White People,” announced she would no longer work with the company while it produces “dangerously transphobic content,” the statement was a reference to the numbers of hate crimes against transgender people and the statistics about mental health and suicide.

There is a tendency these days to quickly conflate language and violence in discussions about controversial art, especially comedy. A punchline, even an offensive one, is not the same as a punch. And yet, it’s hard to imagine that anyone who has attended middle school (or seen a Martin Scorsese film) would not understand that jokes can contribute to a culture of bullying and abuse.

In defending Chappelle, Ted Sarandos, the co-chief executive of Netflix, waded into the issue of the consequences of cruel jokes by arguing that he doesn’t believe there is a relationship between art and harm. It’s a rickety platform to stand on when your company consistently puts out work that hopes to raise awareness, increase representation or move the culture. If art can do good for the world, then isn’t it possible the reverse could be true?

The fallout from “The Closer” is in some ways the most interesting thing about the special. A group of trans employees has planned a walkout on Wednesday to protest. And anger within Netflix led to a rare and fascinating leak of internal viewing numbers, revealing just how little we understand success in the era of minimal transparency by entertainment companies. According to Bloomberg, based on Netflix’s measurement of efficiency, which balances a show’s reach with its price tag, Bo Burnham’s “Inside” (which earned the comic $3.9 million) performed significantly better than “The Closer” (which cost $24.1 million).

Chappelle remains a gifted yarn-spinner who shifts from gravitas to irreverence as deftly as anyone. But judged purely by originality and construction of jokes, he’s a star in decline. There are some startlingly hack jokes, like a well-worn one about Mike Pence’s sexuality, and others about pedophilia and Covid that badly need the shock of offensiveness to make an impact.

Why has he been so fixated on transgender people for so many years now? It may be that he believes deeply that gender is a fact. Maybe he passionately wants to let us know he’s “Team TERF,” as he says in “The Closer” — an acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminist. Neither of those points come with punch lines. It could also be that he sees pushing these hot buttons as the easiest way to make a big fuss.

One of the major developments in comedy over the past decade has been the rise of comics animated by opposition to left-wing dogma and cancel culture. I have seen struggling comics boost their careers by pivoting right — or, more precisely, anti-left. There’s no question that there is a market for it. While he has lost some fans, Chappelle is a hero to this group now. In middle age, Chappelle acts less like a comic and more like a pundit. He’s far more comfortable than most of his peers in going long stretches without jokes. His recent monologues about George Floyd and the way streaming services have not compensated him for showing his sketch show were both righteous and largely without humor.

In 2006, after he left “Chappelle’s Show,” which made better arguments that jokes should be able to punch in any direction than anything he says in these specials, he proclaimed in an interview, “I feel like I’m going to be some kind of parable.” Then he said he was going to be either a legend or a tragic story.

Give Chappelle credit for this: In a climate in which people seem to get more excited about culture wars than culture, he has figured out a way to be both.

Still, I suspect the long-term impact of the last few specials will not flatter his reputation. Comedy moves fast. And right now, there are more funny transgender stand-ups getting hours ready at comedy shows in the city than ever before. The legacy of “The Closer” might be less in the jokes it makes than in the ones it inspires.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 16 October 2021 14:57 (two years ago) link

In defending Chappelle, Ted Sarandos, the co-chief executive of Netflix, waded into the issue of the consequences of cruel jokes by arguing that he doesn’t believe there is a relationship between art and harm.

somebody tell this guy what propaganda is

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 October 2021 15:06 (two years ago) link

How did it cost $24 million to make that special

frogbs, Saturday, 16 October 2021 15:26 (two years ago) link

dave’s fee

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 16 October 2021 15:27 (two years ago) link

Damn that’s like 8 million a punchline

frogbs, Saturday, 16 October 2021 15:33 (two years ago) link

in the wake of norm macdonald’s death i saw some quote from him that was like, if the audience doesn’t find my jokes funny, that’s their fault, because i’m the comedy expert. i guess they all believe that

mookieproof, Saturday, 16 October 2021 16:05 (two years ago) link

“why are y’all booing, i’m right”

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 16 October 2021 16:06 (two years ago) link

i’m sure the specials do pretty well. there’s a big audience for chappelle and a big audience for bigotry. netflix executives keep saying their objective is to “please their audience” so by definition the chappelle special works for them. and they try to get out of the fact that it’s bigoted by saying hey, we have all this pro-trans content too. we have a diverse universe of content. it’s a pathetic defence. “we serve lots of food here. only a little bit of it is deadly poison. and in fact the poison is pretty popular.”

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 16 October 2021 16:23 (two years ago) link

One of the major developments in comedy over the past decade has been the rise of comics animated by opposition to left-wing dogma and cancel culture. I have seen struggling comics boost their careers by pivoting right — or, more precisely, anti-left.

This is happening over here too.

Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 October 2021 16:41 (two years ago) link

i’m sure the specials do pretty well. there’s a big audience for chappelle and a big audience for bigotry. netflix executives keep saying their objective is to “please their audience” so by definition the chappelle special works for them. and they try to get out of the fact that it’s bigoted by saying hey, we have all this pro-trans content too. we have a diverse universe of content. it’s a pathetic defence. “we serve lots of food here. only a little bit of it is deadly poison. and in fact the poison is pretty popular.”

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, October 16, 2021 12:23 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

It's insidious in two ways. One is that the controversy surrounding the special is so obviously a marketing tool, turning what I think is important discussions about comedy and bigotries into something that just serves the bottom line of Netflix shareholders (and Chappelle's future cheques). And also since the marketing tool IS the discussion, it's inescapable. I have been working 70 hours weeks and other than The Squid Game, The Closer is the only other 'content' I've heard about these past few weeks, and no matter what you think of Chapelle or this special, all of his ideas are transmitted regardless of seeing the special.

I have been a proponent of the notion that if you are not the audience then the best thing you can do is to tune out, but you can't, because Netflix and Chappelle want to make as much money as possible by being everywhere to market their content. Unless you black out from media altogether, you gotta participate in the discussion. I can only imagine how hurtful it can be to trans people who don't want to participate. I mean I don't want to participate in it and I find it exhausting and it does not even concern me. Then Chappelle has the supreme bad faith of calling himself 'canceled' when he got what is possibly the biggest platform a comedian as ever had.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 16 October 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link

Chapelle actually reading the "dictionary definition" of feminism like a fuckin fedora reply guy was a particularly pathetic moment

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 16 October 2021 19:56 (two years ago) link

Maybe I shouldn’t mention it but whenever I get into the car it seems that one of the Comedy Channels is on and I end up hearing what suspiciously sounds like an (anti-)#MeToo comic and I get (more) depressed or angry.

Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 17:23 (two years ago) link

Unless you black out from media altogether

from like, all media? or just streaming video services? because the latter is actually not that hard. it's pretty easy to avoid big corporate-suit media if you want to, but you have to actually want to.

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Sunday, 17 October 2021 17:30 (two years ago) link

what are these Comedy Channels in the car? is this a Sirius thing?

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 17 October 2021 19:18 (two years ago) link

Yes. I don’t know which is worse, tbh, the Comedy Channel or the Politics Channel, or whatever it’s called, which seems to be the other alternative, at least when I play Russian Roulette with the ignition key.

Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:35 (two years ago) link

As if there weren’t enough reasons to ban cars

siffleur’s mom (wins), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link

OTMFM. Whip it on me, wins!

Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 October 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link

An editorial that ran in Variety in July 1945. pic.twitter.com/zA66lRhElO

— Kliph Nesteroff (@ClassicShowbiz) October 18, 2021

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 18 October 2021 20:35 (two years ago) link

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/11/01/the-power-of-dave-chappelles-comedy-netflix-the-closer

In 2005, Chappelle walked away from a reported fifty-million-dollar contract with Comedy Central for two additional seasons of “Chappelle’s Show,” his sketch-comedy series. Years later, he explained that he’d been conflicted about the effect of his brand of racial humor, which relied heavily on enacting stereotypes in order to ridicule them. He had begun to wonder whether his audience got the second, more subtle layer of his work, or whether it was entertained purely by the stereotypes. Chappelle, as he told David Letterman, was attuned to nuances in his work that it would have been more convenient (and more lucrative) to ignore. There was always the risk, in riffing on the racial absurdities of American culture, of reinforcing rather than undermining them. The absence of concern of this kind about “The Closer” is striking, and suggests that Chappelle’s line about being rich and famous is more significant to the controversy than has been noted. Onstage, he refers to himself as the man who walked away from fifty million dollars, but the credibility he derived from that act sixteen years ago is now being deployed defensively and cynically, as if to place above suspicion any possible motive for telling denigrating jokes about trans people. He is also the man who walked into a reported sixty-million-dollar Netflix deal.

In 2005, it meant something for a Black man to reject an enormous pile of money in the name of integrity. The past two weeks reiterated a contrasting point: that Black men, too, can be invested in the prerogatives that wealth purchases. Earlier this year, Netflix removed old episodes of “Chappelle’s Show” from the platform at the comedian’s request, forgoing the revenue it would have reaped, after he called the contract that allowed Comedy Central to profit from the show more than a decade and a half after its release exploitative. Sarandos has dismissed requests from trans employees that “The Closer” be removed.

Days after “The Closer” aired, Chappelle performed at a sold-out event at the Hollywood Bowl, before an audience that included Nas, Lizzo, Stevie Wonder, Brad Pitt, and Tiffany Haddish. He remains powerful and influential, despite the protests from a comparatively small community of activists and their supporters. The turbulence around “The Closer” will, in all likelihood, amount to just another speed bump in Chappelle’s path. In gliding through this situation, he has emphasized a fact about power that was never particularly noteworthy. Because the one thing that has not been cancelled is the check.

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link

^ jelani cobb almost always worth a read imo

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link

His concerts are rallies now, apparently. This is on the level of Lenny Bruce reading his trial transcripts from the stage.

http://www.instagram.com/p/CVde5tAFT4H/

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 25 October 2021 22:10 (two years ago) link

wow

much canceled

so persecute

mothersbaugh of invention (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 25 October 2021 22:37 (two years ago) link

this motherfucker can afford bodyguards to tackle someone who even steps on his shoes, meanwhile he whines like this when his comments actually lead to getting transgendered people outright murdered.

the utility infielder of theatre (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 October 2021 22:39 (two years ago) link

"his comments actually lead to getting transgendered people outright murdered"

Citation?

DJI, Monday, 25 October 2021 22:49 (two years ago) link

Lmao “AM I CANCELLED??” the man is beyond parody

Funny to think there’s an entire generation of teens who only know ~this~ version of Chappelle, it’s kinda like the way I grew up hearing a ton about Michael Jackson but not really getting why he was so goddamn famous

frogbs, Monday, 25 October 2021 23:04 (two years ago) link

*lead*, not *led*.

They're the type of comments that over time lead to incitement of violence

the utility infielder of theatre (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 October 2021 23:07 (two years ago) link

He got a really positive review in The Economist this week

Josefa, Monday, 25 October 2021 23:08 (two years ago) link

He's getting cheered on by the people that said "Derek Chauvin did nothing wrong". Would think he'd want to look at *who* is agreeing with him and take stock

the utility infielder of theatre (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 October 2021 23:14 (two years ago) link

Gadsby crack really pushed this one over the top

maf you one two (maffew12), Monday, 25 October 2021 23:34 (two years ago) link

He got a really positive review in The Economist this week

like most other uk-based media outlets, supporting transphobia has been the ideological line of the economist for ages

but wow they really called him "gender realist" lmao

ufo, Tuesday, 26 October 2021 00:59 (two years ago) link

Yeah and he's "torching the pieties of the identitarian left."

I'm a subscriber, but the opinion pieces in The Economist are so relentlessly cringey that it's demoralizing. It's a magazine that I am literally afraid to open every week.

Josefa, Tuesday, 26 October 2021 01:22 (two years ago) link

i'm a gender surrealist

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 26 October 2021 01:34 (two years ago) link

what a crybaby-ass bully

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 26 October 2021 03:59 (two years ago) link

I do like to imagine, like, Hadley Freeman and Julie Bindel forcing themselves through a season of Chapelle's Show because Chapelle is an ally now.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 26 October 2021 10:32 (two years ago) link

the way he complains non stop about being bullied while insisting over and over that people can't criticize him until they watch 6 hours of Netflix specials actually reminds me a lot of the Dilbert guy

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 October 2021 13:44 (two years ago) link

ha yes otm. or Peterson.

caddy lac brougham? (will), Tuesday, 26 October 2021 13:51 (two years ago) link

next Chappelle special "I've Got a Lot of Tweets to Respond To"

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 26 October 2021 13:58 (two years ago) link

The best kind of humor is that which is focused on explaining at length to the unappreciative portion of the audience why they're wrong. It's a surefire recipe for laughs.

(a picture of a defecating pig) (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 October 2021 14:11 (two years ago) link

it’s not surprising that even smart, formerly (insert sarcasm font) incendiary truth tellers can have retrograde opinions on this stuff, but this is the hill you demand to die on? with all the things going on in this fucked up country where you could “trigger” folks w actual power…

and you’re not even ‘dying’ on any hill; you’re being celebrated by bloodless ghouls in the Economist and a bunch of hooting psychopaths who literally think slavery or miscegenation laws should be “left to the states”

caddy lac brougham? (will), Tuesday, 26 October 2021 14:17 (two years ago) link

I think thats at least one core central disappointment among many here, this is the least interesting, least valuable thing he could be spending this vaunted genius and bravery on

For a cadre so quick to lean back on the importance of their profession they sure as a group fail en masse to wield the power and platform and ability in a way that demonstrates much respect for the inherent possibilities- it rings so hollow

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Tuesday, 26 October 2021 15:09 (two years ago) link

whiney with the rebuttal in 3....2....1

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 October 2021 15:12 (two years ago) link


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