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― MarkoP, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 15:37 (two years ago) link
I feel these three singles wouldn’t sound out of place in 2021:
Jamiroquai - virtual insanitySublime - doin timeD’angelo - lady
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 15:39 (two years ago) link
bjorkchemical brothersorbital and other electronic acts at glastonbury
― scanner darkly, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 19:36 (two years ago) link
After thinking about this for 5 minutes I have realised I have no firm grip on what music sounds like in 2021.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 19:47 (two years ago) link
daft punk
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 13 October 2021 20:32 (two years ago) link
^Not until ‘97, no? Honestly, 1997 would be an easier year for this exercise… ‘96 was kind of transitional.
― juristic person (morrisp), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 20:35 (two years ago) link
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length)
It’s either music to dance to or music to uglycry to in tiktok iirc.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 20:39 (two years ago) link
xp some singles came out in '96 so i'm stickin to it
― karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Wednesday, 13 October 2021 20:46 (two years ago) link
someone from the world of dancehall. maybe shabba? was bounty killer around yet?
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:42 (two years ago) link
If we're talking influencial over the entire period 1996-2021 and not just in this year 2021, then I guess something like:
LTJ BukemDaft Punk/Dimitri From Paris/CassiusDiamanda GalásFishmansNick Cave (in as much as he can be a "1996 artist", he did release his three biggest albums in the 1994-1997 period)TortoiseCurrent 93Windy & Carl (in the sense of, drony ambient-meets-shoegaze?)early emo bands like Jimmy Eat World/The Promise Ringin metal, yeah definitely Burzum (although by 1996 he had already been incarcerated for two years, the influential stuff was all recorded earlier)also Opeth, Neurosis/Eyehategod/Tool, ImmolationApoptygma Berzerk/CovenantAstral Projection/HallucinogenPaul van Dyk/Tiesto/MIKE
― Siegbran, Thursday, 14 October 2021 07:13 (two years ago) link
Astral Projection/Hallucinogen― Siegbran, Thursday, 14 October 2021 08:13 (one hour ago)
― Siegbran, Thursday, 14 October 2021 08:13 (one hour ago)
Jesus mate, what is it with the psytrance revival. PVD/Mike I can understand even if I think they suck, but the same people making the biggest hoo-ha about cultural appropriation are also fans of goa crud. The script just keeps going on and on...
― RobbiePires, Thursday, 14 October 2021 09:11 (two years ago) link
are fishmans really that influential
like i know they've been critical favourites in japan for a while but i have no idea how much their influence has actually been felt, did they actually inspire a wave of dubby dream pop acts there or anything
obviously in the west they just have a minor music nerd cult following as of the last 5 years or so but that hasn't at all translated to any sort of influence outside japan
― ufo, Thursday, 14 October 2021 10:41 (two years ago) link
It certainly seems to me that their psychedelic dreampop thing was the blueprint of the whole chillwave thing that kind or permeated the 2010s, although yeah, maybe not directly?
xpost @ RobbiePires I keep reading that comment in a Jerry Seinfeld voice
― Siegbran, Thursday, 14 October 2021 10:53 (two years ago) link
Fishmans have definitely influenced RYM users, lol
― Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Thursday, 14 October 2021 10:54 (two years ago) link
although yeah, maybe not directly?
absolutely not at all directly, their western cult fanbase on rym etc. only really developed around 2016 or so? & before that they were pretty much completely unknown - i stumbled across them maybe a year before the rym following really developed by digging through some rolling stone japan list. i don't think there's that much of a stylistic similarity either with chillwave either - the dub part of their sound isn't found in that at all.
― ufo, Thursday, 14 October 2021 11:15 (two years ago) link
the fishmans cult is also weird because they really overrate long season! uchuu nippon setagaya is their real classic
― ufo, Thursday, 14 October 2021 11:17 (two years ago) link
nobody’s said weezer yet lol
― grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Thursday, 14 October 2021 11:48 (two years ago) link
This. But if I had to guess I'd say TLC would be high on the list.
― o. nate, Thursday, 14 October 2021 15:32 (two years ago) link
What did TLC do in 1996? Crazy Sexy Cool was earlier and Fanmail was later.
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 14 October 2021 15:37 (two years ago) link
The way I see it "influential 1996 artist" doesn't necessarily mean they released an album that year
― J. Sam, Thursday, 14 October 2021 15:46 (two years ago) link
yea idk what "2021 music" really sounds like either but a lotta new indie electronic stuff kinda sounds like Mouse on Mars to me
― frogbs, Thursday, 14 October 2021 15:51 (two years ago) link
I would take it to mean artist for whom 1996 was def their year, like Jamiroquai (of everyone mentioned so far), who are associated with that particular year, not equally a couple of years before or after- but that may be way too pedantic.
― The 25 Best Songs Ever Ranked In Order (Deflatormouse), Thursday, 14 October 2021 16:13 (two years ago) link
Some dance music artists not yet mentioned:
HerbertDJ HarveyKerri ChandlerPorter Ricks (though really Basic Channel if we're not being strict about release dates)OvalMotorbass
― Tim F, Friday, 15 October 2021 00:54 (two years ago) link
also Endtroducing was released in 96
― scanner darkly, Friday, 15 October 2021 01:41 (two years ago) link
I love Herbert. What music in 2021 do you hear that was influenced by Herbert's music?
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 15 October 2021 01:54 (two years ago) link
Bone ThugsMariah CareyShania Twain
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:08 (two years ago) link
Oval definitely, Thrill Jockey released Systemisch and 94diskont in the US in 1996 and the influence of those albums has been a constant throughout the following two decades, arguably among the most influential electronic music of the 90s
Theo Parrish and Moodymann both had records out in '96 and their influence has also been a p constant presence, particularly throughout the 10s
I Care Because You Do came out in '96 and I'm guessing has a degree of influence wrt recent breakcore revival stuff (though according to RYM the foundational album there is Christoph de Babalon's If You're Into It, I'm Out of It which came out the following year)
― missingNO, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:18 (two years ago) link
Not necessarily influential in 2021, so veering off topic here I guess - These albums were released in 1996 and are considered one of the best of their career:
Belle & Sebastian - if your feeling sinisterStereolab - emperor tomato ketchupDj shadow - endtroducingUGK - ridin dirtyGround Zero - 革命京劇 (Revolutionary Pekinese Opera) Ver.1.28Tortoise - millions now living will never dieAphex Twin - Richard D JamesRas Kass - soul on iceBurzum - filosofemRyoji Ikeda - +/-Current 93 - all the pretty little horses2pac - all eyez on meDr Octagon - s/tBeck - OdelayEverything but the Girl - walking woundedCibo Matto - Viva La WomanFugees - The ScoreFiona Apple - Tidal
And that’s all that I can think of right now
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 04:20 (two years ago) link
Oh wait
Cardigans - first band on the moonred house painters - songs for a blue guitarSun city girls - dantes infernoBusta Rhymes - the comingCat power - what would the community think? (It’s one of her best albums and I wont hear otherwise)
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 04:24 (two years ago) link
"Crossroads" is the first triplet rapping I can remember.
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:25 (two years ago) link
i mean "Tha Crossroads"
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:26 (two years ago) link
Arto Lindsay - mundo civilizadoFountains of Wayne - s/tJamiroquai - traveling without movingCake - fashion nuggetLamb - s/tTricky - nearly god and pre-millenium tensionTool - AenimaAaliyah - one in a millionSublime - s/t
Actually a pretty busy year now that I think about it… I haven’t started looking into singles yet.
Donna Lewis - I love you always forever was massive this year iirc
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 04:29 (two years ago) link
Sneaker Pimps - 6 underground also released this year
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 04:33 (two years ago) link
Maxwell’s Urban Hang Suite
― juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 15 October 2021 04:36 (two years ago) link
Are these all artists who are influential in 2021 or is this just a list of stuff from 1996?
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:37 (two years ago) link
I think the latter at this point
― juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 15 October 2021 04:41 (two years ago) link
Foxy Brown
I hear Z100 play way too many piano ballads lately so... Jewel "Foolish Games"
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:50 (two years ago) link
Jordan was wondering about 'artists in 1996 that shaped the next 25 years of music' which is a more interesting question than who in 96 is influential specifically right now in anno 2021 which probably hardly anyone tbh
― missingNO, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:50 (two years ago) link
Ok well I still think the 5 I listed satisfy both questions.
― billstevejim, Friday, 15 October 2021 04:55 (two years ago) link
I actually do think Maxwell’s debut was influential (and continues to be?), fwiw
― juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 15 October 2021 05:01 (two years ago) link
(it def. influenced my roommate Matt to smoke out and hook up)
― juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 15 October 2021 05:06 (two years ago) link
Bone Thugs otm
― J. Sam, Friday, 15 October 2021 05:07 (two years ago) link
We could also start listing 2021 artists that owe an influence to 1996 specifically and it doesn't sound like it'd make the question any easier. Nobody has dated to pair artists or releases yet.Or maybe just mid/late 90s trends that can be still be heard now ?
― Nabozo, Friday, 15 October 2021 07:02 (two years ago) link
Tricky is a really interesting one in that he's one prominent, successful and critically acclaimed artist who virtually no one tried to consciously copy, and who initially seemed like an outlier but whose influence (particularly his approach to vocals) has filtered through into contemporary music in a really diffuse and interesting way. When Billie Eilish cited something off Nearly God as an influence there was a real penny drop moment but I think it had been quietly rumbling on for a few years.
Maybe slightly later in his career but the influence of someone like Elliot Smith is directly audible in the music of people like Phoebe Bridgers. That's a significantly less diffuse one.
In terms of the original thread premise the person who most immediately comes to mind is someone like Todd Edwards, who was turning heads in very specific circles by the mid-90s but whose sound and techniques have impacted right across the contemporary gene pool including artists who would never directly vote him as an influence.
― Matt DC, Friday, 15 October 2021 07:58 (two years ago) link
good call on Todd Edwards, similar to Oval insofar as both popularised production techniques that are widely used (ubiquitous in the case of Edwards) by contemporary producers who may be unaware of their exact genesis
― missingNO, Friday, 15 October 2021 08:20 (two years ago) link
Billie Eilish is influenced by trip hop… artists like Tricky, Esthero can be heard in her sound.
She makes a case for trip hop from around this period to be influential to a big artist in 2021.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 15:28 (two years ago) link
I also hear Jamiroquai in the thousand of “funky” indiepop acts that have been sort of “boutique” music in the past couple of years.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, 15 October 2021 15:31 (two years ago) link
I get that some of the artists mentioned here may have echoes in current artists, but it's hard to say that a lot of them shaped the last 25 years
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Friday, 15 October 2021 16:07 (two years ago) link
Todd Edwards
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Friday, 15 October 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link
The Spice Girls were probably more influential than most here
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Friday, 15 October 2021 16:26 (two years ago) link
i.e. where I've heard Massive Attack for 20 years
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:37 (two years ago) link
she does literally sing about a hotel lobby in one of her new songs!
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:46 (two years ago) link
Tricky has mentioned Billie Eilish in a few interviews but is skeptical that she is directly influenced by him:
Recently, someone posted a picture of me from 25 years ago, and the guy said, “Wow it’s funny, Tricky looked like this 25 years ago and all rappers look like that now.” Another person posted a Billie Eilish song and said, “Basically Tricky.” And I thought, “What the fuck does that mean?” So, I heard the song, and I thought it was quite funny, because she might not even know who I am. Some people are influenced by me through other people. The guy from The xx said that he’d been influenced by me, and Billie Eilish could have been influenced by them and not even know who I am. It’s quite weird.
― jaymc, Monday, 18 October 2021 22:54 (two years ago) link
but see, if she was influenced by the xx in that scenario, that's still Tricky "shaping the next 25 years," right?
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 18 October 2021 22:59 (two years ago) link
(also, who knows what kind of dusty crate-digger shit her bro is into; but he counts here, as well...)
― juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 18 October 2021 23:00 (two years ago) link
i don't know if i've ever heard Tricky in my life
― aegis philbin (crüt), Monday, 18 October 2021 23:09 (two years ago) link
i don't think it's that difficult to draw a line from billie's newest album to everything but the girl. it's not a 1:1 crossover but a lot of similar qualities imo in terms of mood and tone if not quite the production. even some of her earlier music i.e. "ocean eyes" ... like you could put them on a playlist together and it wouldn't sound of place. there is other stuff of hers that is more directly similar to contemporary music but it's not exactly some sort of revelatory point to say that billie herself is directly influenced by xxxtentacion as opposed to music that is 25 years old
― J0rdan S., Monday, 18 October 2021 23:12 (two years ago) link
Moka’s list from 4 days ago was great
the best of trip hop was some of the best music of the mid 90s. There were so many dumbed down versions of it in the late 90s though that it lost currency
drum and bass from the mid 90s is still influential, even if the influence has been attenuated
― Dan S, Monday, 18 October 2021 23:46 (two years ago) link
some records from 1996 that I still admire
Sleater-Kinney - Call the DoctorTricky - Pre-Millenium Tension / Nearly GodBelle & Sebastian - If You’re Feeling SinisterTortoise - Millions Now Living Will Never DieDJ Shadow - Endtroducing
also less mainstream
Current 93 - All The Pretty Little HorsesRyoji Ikeda - +/-Photek - The Hidden CameraSheila Chandra - ABoneCroneDronePlug - Drum ’n’ Bass for PapaGround Zero - Revolutionary Pekinese Opera Derek Bailey - Guitar, Drums’N’Bass
― Dan S, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 00:12 (two years ago) link
One of my faves is Harry Pussy - Ride a Dove (but I don't think that influenced bupkis)
― juristic person (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 00:19 (two years ago) link
FKA Twigs also sounds influenced by Aaliyah and Massive Attack. I think she has actually confirmed those as major influences for her?
I’ll count her as being active in 2021
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 00:22 (two years ago) link
Although she sounds influenced by Mezzanine specifically and that one is 1998…
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 00:44 (two years ago) link
I adore Everything But The Girl in every phase and don't hear the similarities yet. What songs did you have in mind?
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 00:55 (two years ago) link
Broadcast released “The Book Lovers” in 1996 and that run until their abrupt end is pretty unimpeachable/influential. I remember being thrilled when Hayley from Paramore covered “Colour Me In.”
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 01:32 (two years ago) link
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 03:35 (two years ago) link
was gonna mention missy—if not musically, the ultramodern chrome blobject fisheye lens aesthetic exhibited in her 90s music videos is one of the principle influences on recent neo-y2k revivalism—but i just checked and ofc supa dupa fly came out in 97
― missingNO, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 03:57 (two years ago) link
XP
first thought was similar - Royal Trux but I honestly have no idea (or probably anyone tbh) have a clear “influence” trajectory wrt them.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 04:09 (two years ago) link
Timbaland a great cornerstone for that year, even while being behind the board.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 04:13 (two years ago) link
lil kim definitely
― 100 flacs (noz), Wednesday, October 13, 2021 5:23 AM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink
With Cardi B and Megan thee Stallion being so huge this feels pretty hard to argue with
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 13:45 (two years ago) link
Can we count Smashing Pumpkins’ Mellon Collie as 1996? All of its singles with the exception of “bullet with butterfly wings” were released 1996.
Wolf Alice sound super influenced by SP. Munya, Mø have covered them recently. Fruit Bats released a full covers album this year. I’ve been hearing their influence here and there but can’t think of more atm. Wolf Alice were the ones that sprung to mind first.
Now with the “90’s sound” making a full comeback I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a Corganaissance of sorts in the following years.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 15:10 (two years ago) link
If grunge makes a comeback or has an influence in the following years I’d bet heavily on Smashing Pumpkins being one of the main inspirations given that they had a slight psychedelic, more melancholic and most importantly less testosterone-fueled than other bands from the era.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 15:15 (two years ago) link
yeah, I would agree to that. To me, who was never a huge Smashing Pumpkins fan but enjoyed some of their music, it seems like a lot of their stuff has aged way better than that of other big rock bands of the same era (Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam). This mostly goes for their more subdued stuff, I heard "bullet with butterfly wings" and that song does not sound good to me in 2021.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 15:32 (two years ago) link
ehhhh aic is low key majorly influential on almost every dimension of metal but they had kinda started falling apart by '96 anyway
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 15:38 (two years ago) link
first Pearl Jam album has aged well imoAic ruledSoundgarden ruledI know, this thread is not about “ruling”
― brimstead, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 19:55 (two years ago) link
things just rule and most are never understood
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link
Well I guess what Eddie Vedder has over his contemporaries in Nirvana, Soundgarden and Alice In Chains in terms of legacy is that he is still alive.
― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link
He even (prophetically) sang that!
― juristic person (morrisp), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 20:05 (two years ago) link
Mark Arm is pretty good at dodging Vedder's assassins
― St. Twel'mo, or the Cuneiform Cyclopedist of Chattanooga (President Keyes), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 20:06 (two years ago) link
This is King Buzzo erasure
― licorice in the front, pizza in the rear (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 20:20 (two years ago) link
I wish smashing pumpkins seemed more influential esp adore era but I don’t feel like they are really? I think the music has aged pretty well but idk about influential
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 21:54 (two years ago) link
I love AIC but to me they're mostly a throwback to 70s rock/Sabbath and not so much a blueprint for alt rock the 25 years afterwards? Of the major grunge bands I'd probably say they were the best but musically the least "influential".
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link
idk i think they can lay claim to sludge metal
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:46 (two years ago) link
baroness, mastodon, they love aic and you can tell
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:47 (two years ago) link
At thirty years old, the impact and influence of Facelift shows no sign of slowing. Its trademark sound is indelible — traces of it can be found in the DNA of sludge metal and nu metal. The latter would also pick up distortion techniques to add extra grit and texture to their sound.
The combination of hard rock dirge and drawn out vocals is evident in music by Godsmack (who took their name directly from an AIC song title) Dilly Dally, Windhand, and Deftones. The same blend of ethereal vocals and guitar distortion layered over oppressive bass can also be found in dark, folky music by Emma Ruth Rundle and Chelsea Wolfe.
The angst-ridden, brutally honest lyrical themes made accessible in Facelift have become so hardwired into certain genres of metal that it’s hard to imagine what that music might be like without them.
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:49 (two years ago) link
I always associate Sludge Metal mostly with the Melvins/Eyehategod bloodline more than AIC but yeah now you mention it, there's definitely an influence there.
― Siegbran, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 15:05 (two years ago) link
back when i worked in a club's booking office, they used to call sludge metal "butt rock"
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2021 15:14 (two years ago) link