Donald Trump: Classic or Dud?

Getting back to the Ashli Babbit thing I think Jeet Heer was saying that she’s becoming Trumpworld’s Horst Wessel in a new Dolchstosslegend.

Not sure what you’re saying unperson. the only non-electoral solution that seems to be on the horizon to me is legislatures in republican states, by the laws they are enacting now, overturning legitimate vote counts in 2024 to install their preferred candidate, Trump

I'm talking about the kind of non-electoral solution that involves a man in a high place with a rifle.

:) ok get it now

BACK and to the LEFT.

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Oliver Stone's DJT

sometimes people want a King.

i imagine rolled eyes, but maybe not. sometimes people want a king. christians want a King. they want a king to come and return and rule for eternity. that's part of being a christian. that's most of the people in the US, still. the aggrieved white christian minority. so hard for them, and yet, when it comes down to it they all want a king

No rolled eyes here, I think this is absolutely true and always has been. The idea that everyone likes or is on board with democracy, I just don't see it. The rural peasant class in multiple democracies resisted the introduction of democracy in the first place, I don't see that that has fundamentally changed

I think the fascism angle isn't the right one, its monarchy/aristocracy rather than fascism (which I think certainly overlaps but isn't what we're seeing here).

i think they want a solomon but they're going to get a fascist instead

a lot of people on ilx haven't prayed in a long time, i'd wager. here is a contemporary prayer:

Pray for him to have courage. Because I can tell you that when you step into this, everybody’s out to get you. Everybody’s out to make you look bad. And there’s a lot of you know, there’s a lot of just spiritual warfare stuff that seems to happen in the middle of it. Like, I don’t fully understand why this audit is so pivotal in what’s happening in our country right now. But it is in the spiritual realm. It’s not just in the physical realm. It has a core impact of where our country is going. And I’m truly believing for revival. I don’t know how revival comes out of an audit, but that’s what I’ve been praying for.

that was the ceo of the bullshit "arizona audit" company cyber ninjas (oh, stfu people who name these things)
https://flux.community/right-wing-watch/peter-montgomery/2021/10/ceo-company-hired-arizona-republicans-says-americans-must

after the audit found nothing, the ceo of cyber ninjas and virginia state senator and shitlord Amanda Chase held a call with a bunch of christians to complain about how persecuted they were and share good thoughts about how the apocalypse is nigh.

IFA’s Kris Kubal told listeners to be encouraged, saying that if God were done with America, “there would be no battle,” adding that “We know that God still has plans and purposes because the enemy is trying his best to stop them.”

When Chase joined the call, she commended Logan, saying, “He has the mind of Christ,” adding that she knew that whatever the “audit” revealed, “it’s gonna be the truth.”

Chase complained about Democrats’ control of the Virginia statehouse and legislature, claiming, “I basically live in a Marxist state.” She complained about being censured for saying that the 2020 election was stolen and for having a plexiglass wall built around her desk when she refused to wear a mask. “You just would not even believe the amount of persecution” she said.

She charged that “there was complete maladministration by Maricopa County” and claimed, “They just obstructed justice.” Republican officials in Maricopa County and journalists have repeatedly discredited the “audit” as procedurally flawed and a partisan ploy.

Chase said that we are living in the End Times and that things written about in the biblical book of Revelation are being fulfilled, but that there is still work to do. “Virginia is not a lost cause,” she said, urging people to pray for the state’s elections and saying that “the best number one solution for Virginia to have better election integrity is to elect a Republican governor, lieutenant governor, attorney general, and replace all the members in the House so that we have Republican majority.” Having a Republican governor, she said, would mean a state election board with a Republican majority, “and that will change everything.”

Chase said that the “election integrity caucus” she started has had five or six phone calls. Caucus members are still reviewing and digesting the Cyber Ninjas’ final report, she said, before releasing a statement on behalf of the group.

Logan closed the session with a prayer for revival, asking, “May our nation remember its roots, its Christian roots, oh God, and may they turn away from their wicked ways.”

what do they want? monarchy? fascism? theocracy? heaven on earth? they want heaven on earth. does anyone _want_ fascism? not really, since mussolini. but they'll get some version of it

“Virginia is not a lost cause,” she said

with no apparent awareness, at all, of anything that had ever happened

The rural peasant class in multiple democracies resisted the introduction of democracy in the first place, I don't see that that has fundamentally changed

To be fair the introduction of democracy didn't include the rural peasant class at all in most cases (only allowing votes for ppl w/ a certain degree of schooling, heads of households, etc.)

many would argue that the introduction of democracy did not include almost everyone

Like any women at all.

Getting back to the Ashli Babbit thing I think Jeet Heer was saying that she’s becoming Trumpworld’s Horst Wessel in a new Dolchstosslegend.

― And of course the worms! (Boring, Maryland), Monday, October 11, 2021 8:34 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

A second trump term would be more surreal and fucked up than the first. It must be presented.

Saw an interview with Babbit's mom. She insists that she supports the police, but that the capital police are not real police and should be investigated. Also, that the election was stolen, there's been a cover up, and that her daughter died fighting for the truth.

These people barely know which way is up.

I forgive her mom. Her daughter was shot. She truly doesn’t know what way is up. The former president is going on tv to wish her dead daughter happy birthday and proclaim her total innocence, that in fact she was a martyr. All those things make perfect sense to a grieving family.

I blame everyone else

Semi related, but doesn't the father of one of the survivors of the Parkland massacre now think his son is a crisis actor?

I read that long New Yorker piece on Kyle Rittenhouse, and at the end of it I did kind of emerge thinking "I blame everyone else." Because he *was* led astray, and other people actively took advantage of him, and so on. But then I shook myself out of it and recalibrated. "No, wait, fuck that kid, he was definitely vulnerable and taken advantage of and exploited, but he still went out of his way to shoot three people."

Karl, your points well-taken regarding my comments from yesterday. You have to understand that in the world I was in as a teenager, the teens read Harper's and the adults had "WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER" stickers on their Volvos— I think that a lot of people knew what was happening was a sham, same with the 2000 election, but that my environment was much more progressive than most, so I sometimes forget how gung-ho jingoist the rest of this godforsaken country still was when Baghdad was lit up in 2003.

Who could have known that The King would be a twice-divorced, serially bankrupt casino developer smothered in tanning spray?

Mysterious ways, indeed

Really want to know his take on the Bad Art Friend.

Don't Threaten Me With A Good Time!

🤔 Trump just threatened to have Republican voters stay home in 2022 and 2024 unless the party is able to "solve" (by which he seems to mean overturn) the result of the last presidential election, which he lost. pic.twitter.com/sHvXHrKZtH

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) October 13, 2021

Trump to launch new social media platform TRUTH Social

TMTG, which he chairs, also intends to launch a subscription video-on-demand service.

TMTG said its video-on-demand service would "feature 'non-woke' entertainment programming, news, podcasts, and more"..

Finally a venue for the Song of the South/Faces of Death dream pairing

Excited for a group of bored teens to hack this site and dox everyone who signs up

But within hours, pranksters found what appeared to be an unreleased test version and posted a picture of a defecating pig to the “donaldjtrump” account.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/10/21/trump-truth-social-fake-accounts/

Apparently there is no platform yet, just a sign-up page

The site looks almost entirely like a Twitter clone: A user can post Truths, which are like tweets, or Re-Truths, which are retweets. There’s also a news feed, called the Truth Feed, a notification system so users can know “who’s interacting with your TRUTH’s,” the social network’s App Store profile states.

so far beyond parody

there was one, the skeleton of one. they took it down after signing up donaldjtrump and mikepence (pranking teens and a washington post reporter, respectively) within a couple hours

The best part of that fake profile was the profile pic was the taco bowl photo.

TRUTH can't handle the truth.

Thank u for new dn

This will all be a foggy memory by Xmas

Dude can't run an Atlantic City casino, much less a media empire

Dud

This will all be a foggy memory by Xmas

nah, by next year there will be a liberal version called TRUTH Bader Ginsberg

lol

Got a foggy notion #OneThread

What happens if some Trumper posts a Truth that is not exactly The Truth? (Highly unlikely, if not impossible, but bear with me here.)

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/gameshows/images/7/7a/Toc50.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20101217062650

Oh, they get their IMG link removed.

There will be 2, yes TWO, moderators who will carefully scrutinize each TRUTH for traces of untruths

I hope the Truths come with Verrit codes

It's such low-hanging fruit it's almost not even worth reaching for it, but...99% of his tweets contained provable falsehoods so of COURSE his site is called TRUTH.

I'm tempted to say, "Mods, close this thread"? What is there to discuss? If he runs for president again, create another thread.

Move for the next thread title to be Donald Trump: Classic or Dead?

If he runs for president again

Pretty sure that boat has sailed

Never underestimate a grifter grifting. The rest is MSNBCC hand-wringing.

lol MSNBC

OL, the picture was specifically a pig defecating onto its own testicles, if you want to truly honor the moment.

I am looking forward to this platform failing so I can use "truth decay" as a joek

sometimes i find it difficult to keep track of all the criminal and civil litigation against trump. here is a handy guide:

https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/

Key Takeaways

1. E. Jean Carroll Defamation and Federal Tort Claims Act Litigation

Carroll is suing Trump for defamation after he publicly accused her of fabricating a rape allegation against him. The parties are currently involved in an appeal before the Second Circuit, where Trump (and so far, the Justice Department as well) is arguing that he had official immunity from Carroll’s defamation claim under the Federal Tort Claims Act (FTCA).

2. Summer Zervos Defamation Suit

Summer Zervos, a former contestant on the Apprentice, has filed a civil suit against former President Trump for defamation after he claimed her allegations of his inappropriate sexual conduct were lies designed to help the Clinton campaign and improve her fame. The case is currently at the New York Court of Appeals, the highest New York state court.

Update: On Oct. 4, 2021, the trial court ruled that Trump could be deposed before Dec. 23, 2021.

3. Mary Trump Fraud Litigation

Mary Trump is suing Donald Trump for defrauding her out of millions of dollars in an inheritance dispute. The suit is pending in New York state court, where the parties are currently battling over former President Trump’s move to dismiss the case.

Update: On Sept. 21, 2021, Donald Trump filed a related lawsuit against Mary Trump, the New York Times, and several of its reporters.

4. Panama Hotel Fraud and Tax Litigation (CLOSED)

Ithaca Capital is suing Trump’s hotel management company for fraud in federal court. Primarily, Ithaca claims that Trump representatives exaggerated the value of a Panama hotel during Ithaca’s negotiations to purchase it.

Update: On Sept. 15, 2021, the parties agreed to end the lawsuit.

5. Doe v. The Trump Corporation Class Action

A group of anonymous plaintiffs have filed a class action against the Trump family and their business, alleging that the Trumps used their brand to scam investors into paying for worthless business opportunities. The district court denied the Trumps’ bid to force the case into arbitration, and the Trumps are now appealing.

6. DC Civil Suit over Misuse of 2017 Inauguration Funds

In a non-criminal suit, the DC Attorney General is suing several Trump-affiliated entities for misusing inauguration funds to enrich Trump’s family business. The suit is currently in discovery before DC’s local court, where the AG’s office is deposing key Trump executives, notably including his children.

7. Reps. Karen Bass et al. Incitement Suit for Jan. 6 Capitol Attack

Ten members of the House of Representatives, represented by the NAACP, are suing Trump, Rudy Giuliani, and two right wing militia groups for conspiring to forcibly prevent Congress from counting the Electoral College votes on Jan. 6.

8. Eric Swalwell Incitement Suit for Jan. 6 Riots

On Mar. 5, 2021, Representative Eric Swalwell sued Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump Jr., and Congressman Mo Brooks in federal court over the Jan. 6 riots. Swalwell alleges that the defendants violated federal civil rights laws–including the Ku Klux Klan Act–when they conspired to interfere with the Electoral College Count on Jan 6. Beyond that, Swalwell also says the defendants should be held liable for negligently violating DC criminal codes on incitement, encouraging the rioters’ violent conduct, and intentionally inflicting emotional distress on members of Congress.

9. Capitol Police Suit for Jan. 6 Riots

Two Capitol Police officers–both on duty during the Jan. 6 insurrection–sued Donald Trump for injuries they sustained while protecting the Capitol. Both allege that the rioters physically attacked them with fists, chemical spray, and other weapons. They allege that the former president, by his incendiary words and conduct, directed the physical attack and emotional distress.

10. Second Capitol Police Suit for Jan. 6 Riots

A second group of Capitol Police officers filed suit against Trump, the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, and other affiliates involved in allegedly planning and executing the Jan. 6 riots. The seven officers claim that they were physically and emotionally injured by attackers that Trump instigated, and that Trump and his co-defendants conspired to disrupt congressional business in the certification of electoral votes.

11. NAACP’s Legal Defense Fund Voting Rights Case for Post-Election Actions

The LDF is suing Trump, the Trump Campaign, and the RNC for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election in violation of the Voting Rights Act and the Ku Klux Klan Act. While the litigation is still at its early stages, Trump faces damages and a declaratory judgment that he did indeed violate these provisions of the law.

12. New York Attorney General’s Civil and Criminal Investigations

Since March 2019, New York Attorney General Letitia James has been investigating allegations that the Trump Organization altered property values to avoid tax liabilities. The investigation began after Trump’s former attorney Michael Cohen provided congressional testimony that Trump engaged in fraud. In October 2020, James’s office deposed Eric Trump, and in January 2021 a state court judge ruled that Trump’s tax attorneys must turn over thousands of documents.

Update: On May 18, 2021, a spokesperson for New York’s Attorney General said, “We have informed the Trump Organization that our investigation into the organization is no longer purely civil in nature. We are now actively investigating the Trump Organizations in a criminal capacity, along with the Manhattan DA.”

13. Scotland Unexplained Wealth Orders

In February 2021, the Scottish Parliament voted to reject an investigation into unexplained cash transactions executed by the Trump Organization’s Scottish golf courses. A non-profit group is now challenging that decision in Scottish court.

14. Trump Tower Assault Suit

A group of six protesters are suing Trump over allegations that Trump’s security guards assaulted them outside Trump Tower in 2015. The case is pending in New York state court. On Oct. 18, 2021, former President Trump sat for a four-hour deposition to answer questions about the incident.

15. Criminal Investigations into Trump’s Finances

During his presidency, the Manhattan District Attorney investigated Trump’s finances. Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance recently gained access to Trump’s tax information in the course of a criminal investigation into potential tax crimes, insurance fraud, and other financial crimes under state law. Criminal charges have not been filed.

Update-1: New reporting on Mar. 1 revealed that Vance’s investigation has focused on Trump Organization chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, whose potential cooperation with prosecutors could be a significant breakthrough in the investigation. On Mar. 31, the New York Times reported that prosecutors have subpoenaed Mr. Weisselberg’s personal bank records, and on Apr. 8, investigators took possession of financial records from Weisselberg’s daughter-in-law.

Update-2: New reporting on Mar. 8 revealed that Vance’s probe has expanded to include an investigation of a loan the Trump Organization received to build its Chicago tower, and whether the forgiveness of that loan was reported as income.

Update-3: Vance has convened a special grand jury that is “expected to decide whether to indict former president Donald Trump, other executives at his company or the business itself should prosecutors present the panel with criminal charges,” the Washington Post reported on May 25, 2021. “The move indicates that District Attorney Cyrus R. Vance Jr.’s investigation of the former president and his business has reached an advanced stage …. It suggests, too, that Vance believes he has found evidence of a crime — if not by Trump then by someone potentially close to him or by his company.”

Update-4: On Jun. 4, ABC News and the New York Times report that Trump Organization senior vice president and controller, Jeff McConney is among a number of witnesses to have already appeared before the special grand jury. He is reportedly the first employee of the company called to testify.

Update-5: The DA charged the Trump Organization and its chief financial officer Weisselberg on Thursday, July 1 for an alleged 15-year-long tax fraud scheme. The indictment includes reference to an “unindicted coconspirator,” who is Jeff McConney, the Trump Organization’s controller, a person familiar with the investigation told CNN.

16. DC AG Incitement Criminal Investigation

The DC Attorney General, Karl Racine, has announced a criminal investigation into Trump’s alleged role in provoking the Jan. 6th riots. No charges have been filed, though Racine’s office is reportedly looking into a local DC code that makes it a misdemeanor to incite violence.

17. Fulton County, Georgia Criminal Election Influence Investigation

The Fulton County DA’s Office has opened a criminal investigation into attempted election interference by Trump. The DA’s Office has requested that all official and unofficial emails concerning the election be preserved and has reportedly also planned to look into a call between Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger as part of the investigation as well as Rudy Giuliani’s potential false statements to Georgia officials.

Update-1: Officials are reportedly expected to seek a grand jury subpoena the week of March 1, 2021 for documents and witnesses connected to the investigation.

Update-2: On Mar. 11, a recording of a call between then-President Trump and the chief investigator of the Georgia Secretary of State’s office, Frances Watson, was released by the Wall Street Journal. On the call, Trump urged Watson to look for fraud in mail-in ballots. The Fulton County DA’s Office has said that they will request a copy of the phone call.

Update-3: As of Mar. 28, there are reportedly two grand juries considering subpoenas for documents relevant to the investigation.

18. Westchester, New York Criminal Investigation of Trump Organization Gulf Course

The Westchester District Attorney’s Office reportedly launched an investigation which probes, at least in part, whether the Trump Organization misled local officials on the property values of its golf course in order to reduce its taxes.