EZRA KLEIN v MATT YGLESIAS

i for one only read these revives if lag00n is involved in them

xp- milo and julio would find it tho

since i did start this thread i feel i have a duty to patrol it

another kind of funny tell that shor is processing washington consensus through algorithms is the total absence of the big recent novel trend in the polling, which is of course the huge generational divide! the likes of which weve not seen since before we started tracking that sort of thing

that's the core of his argument actually. young white people disproportional shifted to the left in the last 5 years relative to any other demographic group -> those ppl are disproportionately dem staffers and disproportionately live in liberal cities (where their votes weigh zero at the margin in the senate) -> democrats increasingly out of touch on which issues are popular

idk i just read the ezra article and it didnt mention the generation gap, also its not just white yuppies who have shifted left its true across races, geographies etc; feel like pollsters have gotten so used to slicing and dicing for soccer moms and whatnot theyve somehow missed this big ass shift or just dont know how to deal with it cause their models are so overfit

which is not to say the dem elite arent out of touch but being too liberal is not really their problem lol

i mean legal weed medicare for all raising the federal minimum wage eliminating the filibuster are all popular things that are considered insanely leftist by at least a good chunk of the dem establishment

his argument is basically that politicians should talk more about popular economic policy stuff but try to avoid talking about social issues and immigration. in one interview i read with him he said the reason bernie did so well in 2016 was because he ran economic populist and socially moderate (iirc he also said bernie would have won in that interview lol). which was the inverse of hilary's priority in talking points, shifting to the left on social issues while staying moderate on economics

imo a good criticisms of popularism is that, on some level hilary clinton's team were doing exactly what it prescribes: polling and focus-grouping every issue and prioritizing things that polled well. the problem is (1) their polls were subject to the same non-response bias that made all polls so inaccurate in 2016, and (2) they were plagued by her life-time of earnest shilling unpopular policies. a recording of hillary saying "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders" to a room full of bankers leaked in october 2016. you can't find any recording or bernie ever saying anything like that

This cleaving of "issues" into "political" and "social" remains the commentariat's most grievous sin. Fuck them.

i mean i was just being reductive by grouping them that way to make analogy to 2016, there are unpopular 'economic' talking points and popular 'social' issues ones. but the popularist idea is that you talk about the popular ones and not the unpopular ones

oh to be clear flopson I wasn't attacking you; it's the way these choads think.

no worries, just wanted to clarify the pt i was making didn't really hinge on the distinction. because you can dis-aggregate issues and messages beyond that (admittedly dubious) binary

the thing this guys needs to understand is the reason dems dont do popular economic things is because they dont want to

Is this being presented as an either/or? Because couldn't you easily have both? pic.twitter.com/pnByQX0FVx

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) October 10, 2021

wow @ that shor tweet

Better dead than red

more like david whore (for us imperialism)

So people are still doing the parentheses, huh

the thing this guys needs to understand is the reason dems dont do popular economic things is because they dont want to

― lag∞n, Sunday, October 10, 2021 5:58 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

i would like to add and they dont care about winning

right so the evidence here is that the polls showed people were content and didn't want much to change throughout the period between 1979 and 2021 https://t.co/lr1nAQPez0

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) October 12, 2021

73 to 90 percent of people answered the phone and told a stranger that things were going ok

"How's it going?"

"Uh, okay."

"Thanks for your input!"

love to use a poll about peoples personal lives to make some sort of... point?

https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/2yo3s2hrses7xszxbbjsla.png

if Matthew Yglesias called to ask me a question for a poll I'd hang up and call the NSA.

i know there are ppl here who like him but over and over he shows himself to be incompetent and i don't get it. i mean there are reliable statistics available that indicate whether things are or are not going well for people, that would not require them to respond to a survey. many people who are not doing well in a material sense might also say they don't want things to change, and there are interesting things to be said about this phenomenon but nah, people are just "contented" and "change averse." it's their nature as americans, couldn't be that it's a very common way of handling immiseration.

he is so lazy ive read a couple of his substacks and i really just couldnt believe what i was seeing, good work if you can get it i guess

one billion americans, though. who else is thinking that big

me, check this out: two billion americans

spitting at the sight of this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FClY0nsXMAcZufL?format=jpg&name=large

what?

— Sir Loin of Beef (@SotoAlfred) October 25, 2021

Waiting for a politician to have a Soulja Boy moment

in these challenging times for our nation im calling upon president biden to step up and superman that hoe

lol

My theory is that white folks try to tattletale to the media employers of black folks (like Matty Yce tried it on me last week) on the theory that the white people in charge honestly don't know what the Negroes are running around saying.

— Elie Mystal (@ElieNYC) October 29, 2021

tried to figure out what happened but matty has his tweets on auto delete

i tried https://polititweet.org/figure?account=15446531 but don't want to spend time on it, you might

I think Matty was upset about some of these replies though his own tweets are gone now:

I know hurting white feelings is a big no-no on your feed, but I have literally no time for the white use of the word "riot" especially as it was used in the context of the Floyd protests. The violent/nonviolent distinction whites use to drive a wedge here is tiresome.

— Elie Mystal (@ElieNYC) October 21, 2021

i think it was this column https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democrats-election-shor/

https://polititweet.org/tweet?account=15446531&tweet=1451257638990323712
https://polititweet.org/tweet?account=15446531&tweet=1451301248938938374
https://polititweet.org/tweet?account=15446531&tweet=1451313842697428998

too bad polititweet doesnt preserve images and threads but third one is where matt tags the employer i guess

I saw that Elie Mystal tweet and thought he was talking about someone named Matty Weiss

Have to admit, Matty's gotten better at the throwaway joke:

In addition to turnout, the big question in Virginia is which candidate do the voters vote for.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 2, 2021

Is this what the kids call a shitpost?

Revolting little cockroach

She would never do it, but easy opportunity here for Kamala Harris to say the SF DAs office was better when she was running it and become more popular.https://t.co/fjkW8MAYBA

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 9, 2021

I have no idea — maybe the way she ran the office was terrible and all of his changes have been for the better. But my guess is that *she* doesn’t think it was terrible, and it would improve her public image to make a public case for her way.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 10, 2021

the Real America expert has logged on

One thing I think you see here is that writers who live in New York City tend to underestimate the life of material abundance enjoyed by the typical person who living outside a high-cost metro and working in a more normal industry. https://t.co/ca1fd8zZgn

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) November 12, 2021

The central funny/infuriating thing about this bit of would-be reverse snobbery is Yglesias was raised on velvet cushions inside a vitrine in New York City and Hamilton hails from Shithole, Fla. https://t.co/5jKsWs7d86

— Tom Scocca (@tomscocca) November 12, 2021

The rough draft lyrics of “Walk On The Wild Side” needed some work.

I'm a fan of @mattyglesias' creativity on twitter.

— Ronald Klain (@WHCOS) December 3, 2021

fireable offense

it's like watching a kid make a sculpture out of dog poop

I don’t think the American left is going to get far until it can acknowledge that average living standards in this country are actually very high, and that’s the appropriate context in which to think about specific problems. https://t.co/Ma7JhPZD81

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) December 6, 2021