2021 awards thread

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ok. definitely a lot closer than i thought. especially with Turner – who's up there with Soto and Harper. Tatis was better than i thought too, but I don't like him as much as the other three.
bbref liked Tatis best in terms of WAR (with Soto second) and FG is leaning Turner (with Harper and Soto close behind) – the main factor between the two being defence.
Tatis lead in HR, Harper in SLG/OPS/2B, Turner in AVG/SB/TB and Soto in OBP/BB. but of all the things these guys led the league in, Soto's OBP was the one i found easily the most impressive (.465 – better than any active player's season aside from Votto in '12 and Soto last year).
this is so close... maybe Turner playing for a playoff team tips it in his favour? maybe the collapse & turbulence moves tatis behind the other three? gee wiz

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 14:59 (one month ago) link

i don't think turner will finish in the top three (although he may well deserve to). and in his case being on a playoff team cuts the other way as well -- the dodgers are so loaded that he doesn't stand out quite as much. harper probably has the best case for 'carrying his team' even if they didn't quite make it

and i think tatis will be hurt by missing 32 games, and the padres' abject collapse, and probably the dugout arguments too tbh

mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 15:15 (one month ago) link

that's a good point about the Dodgers being stacked (plus he wasn't even there for the majority of the season).

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 15:20 (one month ago) link

I'd vote for Harper. I have a dumb, sour-grapes reason for not voting Soto; he didn't do a whole lot those final three games. (And if, with lots of media paying attention, he had gone on a tear and helped knock the Red Sox out, I think that would have clinched the award for him.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 21:43 (one month ago) link

If you believe that a) WAR is just a rough estimate once two players are within a game of each other, and b) bWAR is as valid as fWAR, then you could make a reasonable case for Paul Goldschmidt as a somewhat sentimental pick. He'd be like Willie Stargell in 1979. Truthfully, I think he'd be the favourite if it were 1980.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:19 (one month ago) link

Not with just 99 RBIs!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:45 (one month ago) link

Aaaaand now that I look - Stargell win it with just 82 somehow in ‘79

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:47 (one month ago) link

trea turner seems like a perfect early 80s mvp

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:52 (one month ago) link

You're right, though, RBIs were synonymous with MVPs, and most years 99 would be a hard sell for a first baseman. (Mitigated, probably, by a low league-leading 113.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 23:09 (one month ago) link

Can you explain to me how Stargell won in 79, because I can not figure it out.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 23:36 (one month ago) link

otm

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:12 (one month ago) link

I guess the pirates finishing first had a bunch to do with it?

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:23 (one month ago) link

i think the fact that he looked so cool that season also helped. the '79 pirates garb is legendary. of course this is your mvp!

https://i.imgur.com/c7H6dX5.jpg

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:50 (one month ago) link

James used to say that he won for a great September that wasn't even good: .222/.328/.485.

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2021 01:00 (one month ago) link

Those hats the real mvp

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 October 2021 01:00 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Congratulations to the 2021 Fielding Bible Awards Winners!

C- Jacob Stallings
1B- Paul Goldschmidt
2B- Whit Merrifield
SS- Carlos Correa
3B- Ke'Bryan Hayes
LF- Tyler O'Neill
CF- Michael A. Taylor
RF- Aaron Judge
P- Dallas Keuchel
Multi-Pos - Kiké Hernández pic.twitter.com/FncGwh1kWF

— SIS_Baseball (@sis_baseball) October 28, 2021

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 October 2021 18:25 (four weeks ago) link

i'm giving peta an award for this tweet

“Bullpen” refers to the area of a “bull’s pen” where bulls are held before they are slaughtered—it’s a word with speciesist roots & we can do better than that.

Switching to “arm barn” would be a home run for baseball fans, players, and animals 💪⚾️ pic.twitter.com/2FzSpDG9mQ

— Arm Barn (@peta) October 28, 2021

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 28 October 2021 21:41 (four weeks ago) link

Player's Choice Awards:

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-players-choice-awards-2021

I was going to question Posey as NL Comeback Player of the Year--had to be Wainwright, I thought; besides, Posey chose to sit out 2020--but Wainwright was actually pretty good in both 2020 and 2019.

clemenza, Thursday, 28 October 2021 23:07 (four weeks ago) link

i can't tell if they are being serious with that tweet or not.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 29 October 2021 04:53 (four weeks ago) link

So congrats to the St Louis Cardinals on winning the gold glove.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 8 November 2021 02:53 (two weeks ago) link

haha, wow! yeah.

it's something you'd only know if you watched the team every day, but in late may - july the cardinals staff were AWFUl with walks. it was unbelievable. it used to seem somewhat rare to walk the bases loaded, or to walk in a run with the bases loaded, but it seemed to be happening several times a week, for months. the twist of the knife was the defense was so good! any sort of contact would most likely result in good things, but the relievers couldn't through strikes. it was really the undoing of a season, even though their crazy streak at the end helped to obscure that mid-season damage.

just staying (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 November 2021 06:25 (two weeks ago) link

too many typos to count

just staying (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 November 2021 06:25 (two weeks ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/cONYDeB.jpg

just staying (Karl Malone), Monday, 8 November 2021 19:20 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.mlb.com/news/hank-aaron-award-winners-2021

I don't know if Harper's award suggests an MVP--very different voting block.

clemenza, Wednesday, 10 November 2021 02:07 (two weeks ago) link

So congrats to the Atlanta Barves on winning the silver Slugger.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 12 November 2021 00:47 (two weeks ago) link

Arizona and India are this years winners of the Jackie Robinson Land Mass awards

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 00:01 (one week ago) link

I'm sure a whole bunch of writers wanted to vote for Franco, but they couldn't justify it with the difference in games played. They knew they were voting for the markedly inferior player. (Only two third-place votes for Manoah...)

clemenza, Tuesday, 16 November 2021 01:59 (one week ago) link

Was hoping Manoah would do better than 8th place, but they all look pretty good.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 November 2021 04:12 (one week ago) link

This is probably paywalled (I have a subscription), but if you have access, long Soto-vs.-Harper MVP piece by Jayson Stark.

https://theathletic.com/2961886/2021/11/17/the-bryce-harper-juan-soto-nl-mvp-debate-is-one-for-the-ages-jayson-stark-breaks-down-the-case-for-each/

clemenza, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 22:37 (one week ago) link

Yay, Ray.

clemenza, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:29 (one week ago) link

One Detroit vote away from being unanimous.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:42 (one week ago) link

Couldn't find the vote...Cole?

clemenza, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:44 (one week ago) link

Never mind, found it--Cole.

clemenza, Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:45 (one week ago) link

it was close but the NL got the cy young right (Burnes)

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:54 (one week ago) link

closest in NL voting history actually!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 17 November 2021 23:55 (one week ago) link

Geez, forgot all about MVPs...Ohtani and Vlad almost went 1-2 unanimously (one third for Vlad)--has that ever happened before? Another oddity, I'm guessing, is that Brandon Crawford got four first-place votes but only finished fourth (more firsts than third-place Tatis). Harper was headed for the HOF anyway, but this probably clinches it.

clemenza, Friday, 19 November 2021 00:23 (one week ago) link

Posey, the (famous) catcher and team leader on a 107-win team, and having a very good season, got all of 1 point--weird.

clemenza, Friday, 19 November 2021 00:25 (one week ago) link

i mean, Crawford was hands down the most valuable guy on the team.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 19 November 2021 00:37 (one week ago) link

No question, but I bet if you studied catchers having comparable seasons on comparable teams, you'd be looking at lots of MVP support--more than one 10th-place vote, for sure.

clemenza, Friday, 19 November 2021 00:44 (one week ago) link

Well, maybe not. Zunino for the Rays and Will Smith for the Dodgers had comparable seasons in terms of bWAR, and their teams also won 100 games. Zunino got the same 1 point, Smith was shut out. (I suppose I'd expect more because of Posey's name recognition and stature.)

clemenza, Friday, 19 November 2021 00:52 (one week ago) link


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