yeah i'd agree with that
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 2 October 2021 18:35 (two years ago) link
Grandfathered in on the 'tales place in Palomar' clause.
― Donald Fhtagen (Old Lunch), Saturday, 2 October 2021 19:34 (two years ago) link
tales takes
I stopped with Gilbert's second B-movie graphic novel because I felt his art has lost some of its oomph and weight but I'm tempted to get the Blubber collection. I admired Palomar and some of his later stories were very sad but ultimately I wasn't into it enough once the drawing declined a bit.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:10 (two years ago) link
I haven't read a graphic novel over 60 pages in 5 years or something like that.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 13 October 2021 21:12 (two years ago) link
(Moving over from the rolling comix thread)This looks beautiful, and of course I’m sort of tempted, but no way can I justify $400 for content I already have in other format(s):https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0322/7339/9944/products/9781683965541_800_1080x.jpg?v=1647543431
― ass time permits (morrisp), Sunday, 3 April 2022 02:21 (one year ago) link
Oh jeez, that looks very nice
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 3 April 2022 03:08 (one year ago) link
It does look great. But it's only collecting volume one? At that price point, I figured it was the whole shebang.
― When the Pain That You Feel is the Bite of an Eel, That's a Moray (Old Lunch), Sunday, 3 April 2022 04:11 (one year ago) link
Considering how all over the place they have printed their material, it is kind of interesting to do something like this.
I've had the first three original reprint trades from the 80s. They were among the few things I kept out of my original collection.
― earlnash, Sunday, 3 April 2022 04:47 (one year ago) link
It does look great. But it's only collecting volume one? At that price point, I figured it was the whole shebang.2 quick q’s, don’t think just answer:how many pp is your mental whole shebang box?what was the price point of buying volume one in book form in 1997 (which, I regret to inform us all, was 25 years ago)?
― beepy fridges (sic), Sunday, 3 April 2022 06:54 (one year ago) link
They'd have to do the other volumes as separate sets because they are rized differently
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 3 April 2022 13:01 (one year ago) link
xpostI don't know why collecting the whole shebang would be that much more mental than just collecting volume 1. The complete set across the room from me doesn't occupy that much shelf space. It's gonna be a big beautiful unwieldy beast either which way.And I've probably spent $400 on volume one but only because I've bought it twice over.This isn't grousing, btw. If anyone deserves to get paid it's Los Bros.
― When the Pain That You Feel is the Bite of an Eel, That's a Moray (Old Lunch), Sunday, 3 April 2022 14:54 (one year ago) link
$400 is a lot of scratch and this stuff's been reprinted so many times at this point. I'm just thankful the cheaper PBs are available
― Nhex, Sunday, 3 April 2022 14:57 (one year ago) link
what was the price point of buying volume one in book form in 1997 (which, I regret to inform us all, was 25 years ago)?
This made me curious (incidentally, I'm all too aware of the 25-year milestone, as it's the year I graduated college!)
There were 15 books of trades collecting Vol. 1 (Music for Mechanics thru Hernandez Satyricon), with cover prices ranging from $12.95 to $14.95 (I stopped buying the trades w/Wigwam Bam, so can't check the prices of the last few). Let's say $20 each (incl. tax), assuming they were all still in print = $300 (1997 dollas) = $530 (2022 dollas). So with allowances for my fuzzy math, this new edition is on par or even a "steal"?
― ass time permits (morrisp), Sunday, 3 April 2022 17:22 (one year ago) link
(Of course it’s not apples to apples, as they’re repros of the original books, and you don’t get the additions to “100 Rooms,” etc. But you do get a big essay in the final volume!)
― ass time permits (morrisp), Sunday, 3 April 2022 17:43 (one year ago) link
(I guess I also shouldn't have bumped the prices of the 1997 books all the way up to $20 - as it's not like tax & shipping are included in the $400 price for the new set. Let's stick with $15 each x 15 = $225 (1997) = $398 (2022)!)
― ass time permits (morrisp), Sunday, 3 April 2022 18:02 (one year ago) link
I don't know why collecting the whole shebang would be that much more mental than just collecting volume 1. For one thing, the title “The First Fifty” would be pretty mental to put on a book containing The First One Hundred And Forty-Seven. When you consider how many of those later issues and volumes are 96pp without covers, and then realize that facsimile editions of the b-movie hardcovers would involve binding multiple hardcover books inside larger hardcover books, you’re probably going to require reinforced steel for the slipcase - and the cost of shipping books just made out of paper has quadrupled in the last year. Not to mention, as Moodles noted, that come 2007 you’re binding 8” hardcovers and 8.5” comic books inside the same 11” hardcover books as 11.5” magazines. I’m no physicist, but I can foresee at least one potential complication.
― beepy fridges (sic), Sunday, 3 April 2022 22:02 (one year ago) link
There’s also no “whole shebang” yet, the series is still going
― ass time permits (morrisp), Sunday, 3 April 2022 22:04 (one year ago) link
I also maintain at the individual trades (which I resumed buying with Whoa Nellie! are the best way to read it. The problem is that all the early ones are OOP, I think
― ass time permits (morrisp), Sunday, 3 April 2022 22:09 (one year ago) link
I'm strongly thinking of buying this. It's very expensive, but I've been reading this on and off since the 80s, I own maybe ¼ of the original run and would love to read it all in its original format instead of rejiggered into tpb form. It would be great if they did something similar with vol 2.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 3 April 2022 22:15 (one year ago) link
Threw a spreadsheet together to check morris’ maths (except aHEM, is your name Old Lunch, young man???!) and I get: buying the hardcovers from 1985-1997: $525 ($540 if you didn’t start until the Complete Love & Rockets editions). Buying the paperbacks from 1985: $209 if you stick with the EP version of X. Buying in-print paperbacks in the late ‘90s: over $270.($540 1997 = $962 today. And that’s without a slipcase, color covers, letters pages, sketchbooks, dozens of essays, interviews and press clippings, restored versions of some pages, never-collected original versions of stories, 100+ pages of bonus comics (some never reprinted, some not for thirty years), and possibly an entire separate book with densely-illustrated annotations for every story from the fifty main issues. Not suggesting that anyone should buy it if they’re not interested, and I certainly couldn’t afford it, but morris’ estimate of on par or even a "steal"? seems reasonable imo!)
― beepy fridges (sic), Sunday, 3 April 2022 22:22 (one year ago) link
rejiggered into tpb formRejg’d/Rejugged (Pronounced “ReJigged”)
― ass time permits (morrisp), Sunday, 3 April 2022 22:24 (one year ago) link
Now that's something else entirely
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 3 April 2022 22:33 (one year ago) link
lols
― beepy fridges (sic), Sunday, 3 April 2022 22:56 (one year ago) link
For one thing, the title “The First Fifty” would be pretty mental to put on a book containing The First One Hundred And Forty-Seven.I wasn't onboard at first but u finally sold me with this salient point.
― When the Pain That You Feel is the Bite of an Eel, That's a Moray (Old Lunch), Monday, 4 April 2022 00:44 (one year ago) link
I loved Jaime's early stuff, certainly up through "The Death of Speedy." I kind of dropped it for no other reason than life got in the way. I feel like I'd be hopelessly behind now.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 4 April 2022 13:59 (one year ago) link
if you want to crank through Jaime's stuff, the TPBs make it pretty manageable
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 4 April 2022 14:09 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I may give it a go, although the aging of the characters really reminds me of how old I've become.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 4 April 2022 14:19 (one year ago) link
as mentioned elsewhere it was all going for a song on comixology(uk) before amazon messed that all up. luckily it's drm free so downloadable and readable anywhere. grabbed the first 14 tpbs for about £20.
― koogs, Monday, 4 April 2022 14:24 (one year ago) link
Jaime is pretty consistent up through the last trade. It moved in a super hero direction that I wasn’t nuts about, but it ended really nicely. Maggie is my #1 comic crush, so any time with her is good.
― Cow_Art, Monday, 4 April 2022 15:36 (one year ago) link
The span of the Library editions means that “the superhero direction” was only in two issues of the comic, 14 years ago (and Jaime followed it with his greatest down-to-earth novel ever).
― beepy fridges (sic), Monday, 4 April 2022 15:51 (one year ago) link
Is the Hoppers series still ongoing? I think Love Bunglers was the last I read.
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Monday, 4 April 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link
I finally got a Love & Rockets tee a few montsh back - with the cover of the issue with the band onstage - and I treasure it.
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Monday, 4 April 2022 16:12 (one year ago) link
xp
yes it is, in volume 4, which is a return to the large size format of the original run. There's been about 11 issues so far.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 4 April 2022 16:14 (one year ago) link
(There have been two Jaime trade collections since Love Bunglers)
― ass time permits (morrisp), Monday, 4 April 2022 16:15 (one year ago) link
Crikey! I need to get a wriggle on...
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Monday, 4 April 2022 16:16 (one year ago) link
Maggie is my #1 comic crush, so any time with her is good.
The Maggie/Hopey duality reminds me, appropriately, of the Betty/Veronica divide.
#teamhopey
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 4 April 2022 16:17 (one year ago) link
Middle aged Hopey has mellowed a lot
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 4 April 2022 16:27 (one year ago) link
Shit, middle aged me has mellowed a lot.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 4 April 2022 16:28 (one year ago) link
I don't really "like" middle-aged Hopey, as a person (and I have a sense/recollection that Jaime doesn't, either)
― ass time permits (morrisp), Monday, 4 April 2022 16:30 (one year ago) link
Love Bunglers is so good, but This How You See Me might be even better imo
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 4 April 2022 17:56 (one year ago) link
Not there's any need to choose!
The whole "actually $400 is highly reasonable" line of throught is making me reevaluate my previously held "no way!" position
me too -- quite possibly on your recommendation! -- are the drm free versions still accessible? would much rather read on chunky
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 4 April 2022 17:59 (one year ago) link
to download you need to go here (your uk account is valid even though it's .com)http://amazon.com/comixology/account
hit the "View your Comixology books" link at the bottom and then the "Backup" tab.
the main site is here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/comixology/
― koogs, Monday, 4 April 2022 19:00 (one year ago) link
awesome thank you!
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 4 April 2022 19:07 (one year ago) link
guys this is dumb
― Stevie D(eux), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 07:13 (one year ago) link
like you can buy all of this content in the form of L&R Library tpbs for less than $100, it’s in a diff order and slightly smaller but I cannot imagine that the original order + slightly bigger is worth an extra $300
― Stevie D(eux), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 07:15 (one year ago) link
The letter columns alone are worth $400
― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 08:33 (one year ago) link
Ha, I don't think "But you're buying exactly the same thing in a different format!!!" is a water-holding argument for comics types
― Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 5 April 2022 08:56 (one year ago) link
I don’t know if I could put a dollar value on it, but full size is a big deal. Just compare the (small) New Stories volumes to the larger-format trade reprints of the same material.
― ass time permits (morrisp), Tuesday, 5 April 2022 14:04 (one year ago) link
Stevie: here are the two post-Love-Bunglers Xaime HCs:
Is This How You See Me?Tonta - these are material that overlapped with each other in the issues, and with Love Bunglers, and with another lite-SF-adventure series that Jaime has on the go these days.
Facsimile editions of the L&R issues themselves probably still the best way to read this material imho, where the separate worlds are rubbing up against each other rather than kept apart.― Ward Fowler, Monday, March 28, 2022 11:42 PM (one week ago)
― Ward Fowler, Monday, March 28, 2022 11:42 PM (one week ago)
I wouldn't say best - if nothing else, the expanded Poison River is a massive upgrade to that story, and it's easier to track the timeline in book form - but having read the Complete/Collection books first, it's definitely both fascinating and enlightening to see the way they piecemealed out the stories, and get a better impression of how much they were working on the fly and reacting to other things in the world or in comics.
And yeah, you get no idea in the books the various ways they play off each other - grabbing a topic or theme or character from the other Bro's work and riffing on it. Izzy appearing as a Poison River background extra in the same issue as she's in Mexico for Flies On The Ceiling! Plus the non-Locas and non-Palomarverse shorts & series feel more essential in situ, letting each artist play out ideas that don't fit in their ongoing work, or the way Beto takes months out from his regular characters to retrench between novels.
― beepy fridges (sic), Friday, 8 April 2022 06:48 (one year ago) link