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let me know if we get this one sorted out
― mens rea activist (k3vin k.), Thursday, September 30, 2021 4:44 AM (one hour ago)
otm -- I'm outta here
― sarahell, Thursday, 30 September 2021 13:01 (two years ago) link
Lock request is in cos this isn't productive
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Thursday, September 30, 2021 9:16 AM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Asking to speak to the manager now are you
― ✖, Thursday, 30 September 2021 13:38 (two years ago) link
since we've now reached the "I'm going to ignore the actual shit that was posted in the thread and assume bad faith" portion of the thread, as I explained earlier...
1) I have several feminist friends who very much consider themselves allies that were asking people to stop using this term because it was sexist and used to shut down women
2) this seemed odd to me because I had felt the utility of the term was calling out people using their privilege to actively harm BIPOC, and it didn't seem that these friends of mine would want to shut THAT down
3) so I thought maybe the issue is that the term was being used indiscriminately and the well had been poisoned and it was being used to basically attack women and nothing else
4) or that perhaps it was a term that we as allies shouldn't use, and reserve it for BIPOC to use.
5) then it emerged that some people ITT didn't think that's what Karen meant at all
6) I posted this which actually pointed out that the original meaning of "Karen" changed a lot, and nobody engaged with it at all: https://www.vox.com/21317728/karen-meaning-meme-racist-coronavirus
7) DJP posted a good post about how the thread was coming across and how it was a bad idea. i hoped people would engage with it, and few if anybody did.
8) it then moved to light j'accuse
delete thread, account, dn, i don't care
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 September 2021 13:40 (two years ago) link
but if it makes you feel better to think I deliberately created this for LOLs and clusterfuckery, hey, whatever
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 September 2021 13:41 (two years ago) link
(for the record i've never denied that my understanding of the term squared w/ the racial usage, but it was clear itt that other people had never understood it that way, or that we were conflating "Karen" with another term, which peace, man even addressed)
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 September 2021 13:42 (two years ago) link