How many years until U.S. mass violence, warring red and blue enclaves, civil war 2

xpost, i hear you sleeve, and you're right in the sense that i need to check it. it is an insult - one i didn't intend, but still real, and one that i was complaining about the other day on some thread. i thought people just thought i was a complete fool. so i get that, i'm sorry. i'm not trying to turn into a 'sheeple!' person

i've been reading the exegesis of pkd on my toilet for several years and it's funny, i've never tried to connect any of it to my current situation. i love pkd though. to me it is things like his layering of 1st century rome on top of today's world that mesmerizes me. i like to just think about that.

things get worse, that's an easy money prediction, but the ways they get worse aren't always linear, even if they seem to have been for a long time. things that have been sliding steadily but slowly south can suddenly break entirely. systems are often at their most complex just before the collapse. house of cards, interlocking systems crumbling, etc.

Things can get worse, things can improve, it's happened like that for thousands of years.

I mean, not that I think human beings have thousands of years left but you get the idea.

i will try to no longer "talk" on this thread but i bet i will occasionally still post links, including ones like this that are meant to be reassuring

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/09/24/why-the-fear-of-trump-may-be-overblown-514270

i know the thread title and concept is horrible and will prevent people from having a good conversation about this. partly because i put "civil war 2" in the title like a complete idiot, and no matter what, people will skip directly to that idea, rather than the more plausible ones people are talking about upthread. i think that's important to talk about, even if it's a discussion that doesn't include me.

i am sorry for, just, generally the way i've been recently. i agree that thinking about this stuff doesn't really help, and being on my computer doesn't really help because that's where the news is, too.

For good or ill, I agree with you more than almost any other currently active political poster.

(truly, it is for ill, at least for personal mental and probably physical health reasons. but thank you)

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I note that the author of essay quoted in the OP is Robert Kagan (from Wikipedia:) "an American neoconservative scholar, critic of U.S. foreign policy, and a leading advocate of liberal interventionism. A co-founder of the neoconservative Project for the New American Century, he is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution."

Besides publicly wringing his hands in a WaPo OpEd I haven't really detected any of the institutions he is intimately connected to loudly broadcasting these dire warnings as if they really believed violent mass civil discord and the dissolution of democratic government was imminent. It's the progressive left that keeps ringing those warning bells against rising fascism. You'd think such concerns, if sincerely believed, would be worth more than an OpEd.

…cars and dogs living together, mass hysteria.

-cars- cats

2024

How many of these ppl are winning tomorrow?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/01/us-election-deniers-trump-big-lie-republican-midterm-candidates-running

All of them

Civil war 2

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I like that there's a vote for last year and two votes for this year.

Time's a wastin', civil warriors! Get on it!

Civil war 2 fast 2 furious