100 Reasons Why "Ignition - Remix" Is So Damned Great

It was forksclovetofu who said it, not J0hn, and forks was (ill-advisedly) quoting a Chapelle Show skit rather than making an actual threat

That said, the cursory glance through the old posts I took shows Robert was coming at this from the same place I ended up, namely a Black man really fucking tired of white people lapping up the R. Kelly Minstrel Show, only he got there way before Trapped in the Closet happened, which was my breaking point

That totally makes sense, and yeah, reading old R Kelly threads is definitely a fucked-up experience. I've talked about it a lot with friends irl, too - while we may not have known the extent of what he was like, we heard accusations and rumours and completely took part in the diminishing of them to salve our own consciences. Fucking fucked up.

I can’t check back on the thread but imo anyone lashing out about long-ago hurt on an R Kelly thread gets a pass today, a day in which Kelly has been found guilty and faces life in prison

(RL’s post made me check & learn the above, so it’s likely that other posters today are operating without that context too)

Thanks, sic. I was missing that context.

Just read up on it too, so apologies for my flippant post to Robert.

Not a fan of r kelly's music, I honestly could only name one of his songs, and have always found him creepy (I remember the allegations he was married to Aaliyah when she was 15 more than anything about his music) but he certainly deserves to spend a long time in jail for what he has done.

I see Robert Lashley won the WWE championship earlier this year, so congratulations Mr. Robert.

Happy to say I never danced to or bought the token hype for Ignition rmx. I’m with you: Fuck R. Kelly.

It's a light jam, it's kinda hard to hate on even discarding the token hype or knowing what kind of person the artist is (which I certainly didn't when I first heard Ignition remix). I'm kinda flummoxed by people's zeal to reevaluate and declare artists off-limits to protect their own online reputation and integrity. "I never", "I always", "I, I, I" - does anybody care ? I guess the shadow of scandals is nothing new in entertainment, but that's not a good place of judgment, and for me that would be super inconsistent with the criminal artists I keep on my playlists (whether it's Ranking Dread, Michael Jackson, or Burzum).

I'm not aiming at anyone in particular btw, just the internet.

Think you should try not to judge others on the morally bad musicians they listen to, except in the cases that they are giving said artist money to pay for lawyers (so buying their records, if they are alive) or if it's like Skrewdriver and they are getting brain worms.
As far as I'm concerned personally it isn't even a choice, I couldn't bear listening to RK now, even MJ makes me feel a bit queasy.

The sad thing is that even long after MJ's death, his estate is still actively paying lawyers to fight his victims and "protect his legacy".

Yeah Ignition rmx is a light jam but there are thousands of light jams from the era and people in this thread and other zines where still pushing it as one of the best songs of the decade and the allegations where strong even then.

Yeah Ignition rmx is a light jam but there are thousands of light jams from the era and people in this thread and other zines where still pushing it as one of the best songs of the decade and the allegations were strong even then.

*were not where

What's for sure is that I would not even know who R Kelly is without this song. The only other I've heard by him is Down Low nobody has to know.

You all have known and enabled this asshole for nearly two decades by hyping up this “light jam”

sorry about that

Fucking zines centered on indie and rock just couldn’t do without their token r&b pick, could have just filled the spot with Mark Kozelek or Ryan Adams or Real Estate.

I was just thinking how, like in 2012, there were so many "Ignition. Is. The. Greatest. Song. Of. A. Generation." articles and then the entire song was basically memory-holed in the last few years

Were there not any women making r&b music in the early 2000s then?

xpost Which you couldn't do for, say, "Billie Jean" or even "Rock & Roll (Part 2)"

Were there not any women making r&b music in the early 2000s then?

― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 12:06 PM (thirty-eight seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

Let's not forget that people lost their minds when Spin DARED to put Beyonce on the cover in 2006. Times change.

https://www.gawker.com/180780/the-new-spin-dont-you-know-things-can-change-things-can-go-your-way-or-not

You all have known and enabled this asshole for nearly two decades by hyping up this “light jam”

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 10:57 AM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

r. kelly was a massive star with number one hits in multiple decades. the pass he was given for far too long is despicable, and it diminishes the sin on the part of the industry and fans to reduce him to just the "ignition" guy

otm

What's for sure is that I would not even know who R Kelly is without this song. The only other I've heard by him is Down Low nobody has to know.

― Nabozo, Tuesday, September 28, 2021 11:52 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

You've never heard I Believe I Can Fly?

or "You Remind Me of Something," the stupidest ballad in R&B history?

like my bank accooooooooount

Or Bump N Grind, or Your Body's Callin', or Fiesta, or Step (In The Name of Love), or World's Greatest, or about a billion other songs that got a shit-ton of play all over the place (let alone how long he dragged out Trapped In The Closet)

"Step (In The Name of Love)" is one of the few I can stand these days.

"You Remind Me of Something," the stupidest ballad in R&B history

That video was the first I saw of him, and still the only song of his that I've really heard; based on that I thought he was something like the R&B Tenacious D.

you should (shouldn't) hear "the zoo"

Happy to say I never danced to or bought the token hype for Ignition rmx. I’m with you: Fuck R. Kelly.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Tuesday, September 28, 2021 5:24 AM (ten hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

He’s being convicted for raping women not recording the ignition remix

all over the place

it is possible that Nabozo lives in a different place

not sure whether this has also been ruined

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuY1rt4qp5M

He’s being convicted for raping women not recording the ignition remix

― xheugy eddy (D-40)

By not giving him money via streams or buying his records I was indirectly not helping him pay for lawyers to continue with all the raping. Some people would rather believe that over-selling his music as “best song of a generation” and writing articles about it and voting for his music in End of Decade lists in fucking 2010 is all in good fun because there’s no way he received any money from it right?

Abused in his youth… an addict as a adult… Ike Turner served 18 months in prison.. Rick James did similar time. Ike came out a changed positive human being. How long should R Kelly spend in prison -and does a USA system give a man a chance for a man to change his world around?

— Chuck D (@MrChuckD) September 28, 2021

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Hail Moka, full of taste, preiscience is with thee. Blessed art thou among ilxors and blessed is the fruit of thy music purchases. Holy Moka, accountent of ethics, have mercy on us listeners now and in the future should an artist we enjoy be exposed as a sexual preditor. Amen.

If there's a civil suit and Kelly's future royalties get awarded as damages to the plaintiff, do the songs become ethical to stream again

no bc spotify still gets some iirc

It was forksclovetofu who said it, not J0hn, and forks was (ill-advisedly) quoting a Chapelle Show skit rather than making an actual threat

That said, the cursory glance through the old posts I took shows Robert was coming at this from the same place I ended up, namely a Black man really fucking tired of white people lapping up the R. Kelly Minstrel Show, only he got there way before Trapped in the Closet happened, which was my breaking point

yeah Robert was right in the thread he's ref'ing and few who posted to it, myself included, have much/anything to be proud of.

Ok I did see Space Jam - have not heard any of the others - and I do live in a "different place".

Hardly prescient, he’s been a known sexual predator since 1994.

it's not *really* comparable but watching how Nicki Minaj has tried to use the R Kelly model and failed to distract from some serious allegations about her and her husband, I feel a bit more optimistic that there won't be anyone getting a "pass" on this level again, and I hope this marks a serious change in how the industry deals with situations like this.