If you don't think HS will advance the class struggle you're possibly not understanding social democracy correctly from a Marxist viewpoint
― calzino, Monday, 27 September 2021 22:10 (two years ago) link
HC! not Hilary Simpsom
― calzino, Monday, 27 September 2021 22:11 (two years ago) link
I went to a state school that wasn't that great and avoided as much philosophy, political science, and psychology as possible, in favor of moar history classes. I can pretty much guaranty I don't understand anything from a marxist viewpoint. I wish I did!
― Taliban! (PBKR), Monday, 27 September 2021 23:01 (two years ago) link
sorry, I'm quoting a UK pol thing on a US thread again. It's a pisstake quote of an extremely stupid Paul Mason pronouncement that will haunt and clown him him until his death
― calzino, Monday, 27 September 2021 23:13 (two years ago) link
what the hell is happening there, when did The Thick Of It become real life
did you pay attention to politics during the original TX of The Thick Of It
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 28 September 2021 02:17 (two years ago) link
Uh oh, she's just in total free fall after the dress debacle. Way to torch your online constituency.
"I think that President Biden has been a good faith partner to the entire Democratic Party" -- AOC pic.twitter.com/W9oC9hmmNV— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) October 3, 2021
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Sunday, 3 October 2021 15:51 (two years ago) link
Deep thoughts with Jack Handey over here https://t.co/9fhii4C49Q— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) February 9, 2022
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 9 February 2022 22:14 (two years ago) link
She’s on fire today
At least she leads by example. She clearly banned all books from her house years ago https://t.co/SGMheBuFzn— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) February 9, 2022
― frogbs, Wednesday, 9 February 2022 22:49 (two years ago) link
Jake's "Neither are" is also bad tbh
― Bixby in a Samsung I know it's Siri-esque (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 10 February 2022 05:06 (two years ago) link
Excellent interview with Remnick:
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 February 2022 18:51 (two years ago) link
This piece, which draws some conclusions from the Remnick interview, is good, too:https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/17/what-aoc-learned-from-trump-00009700
― jaymc, Thursday, 17 February 2022 19:04 (two years ago) link
great answer
When you are asked questions about whether or not Nancy Pelosi should stay as Speaker, when you’re asked questions about the rather advanced ages of Steny Hoyer, Jim Clyburn, and Chuck Schumer, does it make a difference? You’re saying it’s structural. It’s not generational.It’s both. The reason we have this generational situation that we do is also, in part, due to our structures. The generational aspect of things is absolutely pertinent to the kind of decision-making. There is this world view, this appeal, of a time passed that I think sometimes guides decision-making. President Biden thought that he could talk with Manchin like an old pal and bring him along. And, frankly, that was what the White House’s strategy was, in terms of what they communicated to us. That’s how they tried to sell passage of not even half a loaf but a tenth of the loaf. It was “We promise we’ll be able to bring them along.” There is this idea that this is just a temporary thing and we’ll get back to that. But I grew up my entire life in this mess. There’s no nostalgia for a time when Washington worked in my life.
It’s both. The reason we have this generational situation that we do is also, in part, due to our structures. The generational aspect of things is absolutely pertinent to the kind of decision-making. There is this world view, this appeal, of a time passed that I think sometimes guides decision-making. President Biden thought that he could talk with Manchin like an old pal and bring him along. And, frankly, that was what the White House’s strategy was, in terms of what they communicated to us. That’s how they tried to sell passage of not even half a loaf but a tenth of the loaf. It was “We promise we’ll be able to bring them along.” There is this idea that this is just a temporary thing and we’ll get back to that. But I grew up my entire life in this mess. There’s no nostalgia for a time when Washington worked in my life.
― frogbs, Thursday, 17 February 2022 19:05 (two years ago) link
What divides AOC and her allies from others in the party is above all a theory of power: How to gain it, how to use it, how to keep it. It is a difference grounded in a cultural mindset about how politics should look, sound and feel.
this seems very otm. it is hard for old line dems in leadership to see and feel that their world has passed on, because they stand at or near the pinnacle of power and believe they control that world, so it's impossible they could be left behind. in their minds they own it!
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 17 February 2022 19:24 (two years ago) link
What’s funny about that quote from the Politico piece is that Harris, the writer, is one of those old-line institutionalists to the marrow of his bones. With his dying breath he’ll huff out one last recitation of the legend about Reagan and Tip O’Neill drinking together.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 17 February 2022 19:41 (two years ago) link
I read the POLITICO summary before The New Yorker story and almost didn't keep going.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 17 February 2022 19:42 (two years ago) link
Predictably the pull quote is the one about DC being a shitshow, but her immediately identifying student loan forgiveness as the keystone issue which Biden could act on at once w/o going through the Senate and would significantly affect the midterms, is far more telling. The Progressive Caucus leadership has a really good grasp of the electoral realities of 2022. More so than Biden or the old-line top leadership.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 17 February 2022 19:55 (two years ago) link
A part of me (a true dumbshit part of me. Me, an idiot) wants to believe biden’s handlers are waiting until september to do stuff like student loan forgiveness so it doesnt fall out of the news cycle
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 17 February 2022 21:06 (two years ago) link
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez flies first class from Texashttps://t.co/AZdKXDT65u— Fox News (@FoxNews) February 20, 2022
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Sunday, 20 February 2022 21:08 (two years ago) link
gasp
― i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 20 February 2022 21:11 (two years ago) link
If I made $175k a year I'd never fly coach again.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 20 February 2022 21:15 (two years ago) link
Coach is hell on my back and knees and... everything.
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Sunday, 20 February 2022 21:18 (two years ago) link
People who make $175k a year fly coach all the time, it's the people who travel constantly on work's dime and thus have hyperdiamond loyalty status with its auto-upgrades you're seeing up front (this probably includes AOC!) -- it's like the $35 lunches at restaurants in midtown Manhattan, nobody is paying out of pocket for that shit
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 20 February 2022 21:21 (two years ago) link
plus it's self-perpetuating, lots of these programs give frequent fliers 1.5 or double miles earned per mile it's easier to get the next year
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 20 February 2022 22:24 (two years ago) link
The only times I've flown first class has been for work, except the one time I left myself get bumped from a full flight for a $500 voucher.
― sorry Mario, but our princess is in another butthole (Neanderthal), Sunday, 20 February 2022 22:32 (two years ago) link
Slurping scotch in first class before COVID era was fun. I made lubricious eye contact with several hot guys who like me couldn't believe their good luck at sharing space with me.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 February 2022 22:37 (two years ago) link
Think it says a lot about the conservative mindset that they think anyone who doesn't make a vow of poverty yet champions causes to help the poor are some sort of hypocrites. You see it play out with black athletes as well: how dare they show concern about those less fortunate!! They benefitted from society yet now criticize it!
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 20 February 2022 22:53 (two years ago) link
I think we should shame conservatives who don’t go out of their way to urinate on the poors
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Sunday, 20 February 2022 22:55 (two years ago) link
It's not just the conservative mindset, liberals have been known to pull that card on the progressive wing when it suits their purpose.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 20 February 2022 22:59 (two years ago) link
The only time I ever flew first class was between SLC and Denver that was and upgrade based on some leftover voucher. As soon as I was seated I asked for and received two glasses of bourbon and enjoyed the hell out of that 45 minute flight.
― joygoat, Sunday, 20 February 2022 23:00 (two years ago) link
Conservatives think it’s hypocritical because they themselves cannot understand why anyone would champion causes that do not directly benefit them
― frogbs, Sunday, 20 February 2022 23:02 (two years ago) link
I've never flown first class, but I can imagine if you are a public figure that flying first class might afford you a modicum of privacy and protection from some run of the mill jagoff in the back.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 20 February 2022 23:43 (two years ago) link
Frogbs exactly, that's what I was driving at
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 21 February 2022 00:00 (two years ago) link
Maddens me when they pull that shit on black athletes because hello, they're the only ones with a platform. When it's some "average" citizen making the complaints the dismissal is just as quick but the rationale changes to "pfft they just want free shit"
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 21 February 2022 00:09 (two years ago) link
According to sources, AOC plans to abstain on the Bandera Protection Act, a proposed addition to the US Constitution that would allow Congress to prohibit by statute and provide punishment for the physical desecration of the flag of Ukraine.— Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) May 20, 2022
This is what the dum dum left thinks is a joke
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 21 May 2022 00:05 (one year ago) link
the classic dumb guy move of "but we live in a society where it's believable!"
The fact that this is believable is what's scary— Jessica (@JES_BH) May 21, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 21 May 2022 00:18 (one year ago) link
Smart move there, Max, boosting your tweet by borrowing the name of someone people are actually interested in, because otherwise no one cares what you think.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 21 May 2022 01:06 (one year ago) link
What divides AOC and her allies from others in the party is above all a theory of power: How to gain it, how to use it, how to keep it.
Sounds good, but will it get her power? Does she have power? How can she get more?
― the pinefox, Saturday, 21 May 2022 09:17 (one year ago) link
on eBay and Amazon
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 May 2022 09:33 (one year ago) link
power matters when you feel threatened; otherwise you try to ignore that it exists in human relations
― youn, Saturday, 21 May 2022 09:49 (one year ago) link
Unless you’re a politician - then it has to be at least one of the primary things you’re thinking about, even if you’re the rare politician with a beating heart
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 14:17 (one year ago) link
If your power is not at stake, you might have empathy based on your life experiences.
― youn, Saturday, 21 May 2022 14:23 (one year ago) link
and when is power not at stake? i assume we're defining our terms differently, especially because i never define my terms
power is always at stake, whether you think it's there or not. people who do not know it's there are just fine, i want to be like them, and they do not belong near politics. AOC's particular power comes from her empathy for others - or at least the perception of it - based on her life experiences. she is a genuine person (or was - once you cross the line into the house of representatives it's like that one scene in field of dream where moonlight graham decides to cross the line one more time to save the little girl from choking, even though he knows what it means for his corporeality) and the rare person who also understands how political power works.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 14:45 (one year ago) link
i meant, at the end, that she's the rare person who is both seemingly "genuine" and thinks of humans on empathetic levels divorced from "political power", while also understanding how political power very much affects all of us and puts all of our lives at stake
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 14:46 (one year ago) link
i will take my tweet about how AOC fucked up on something last week off the air, please, i love this show, thank you
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 14:47 (one year ago) link
I think my point was: an article stated that she, unlike others, has a theory of power. But as a leftist in the US, she has rather little power, and her enemies have more. Is her theory doing her, and the causes she represents, any good?
― the pinefox, Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:42 (one year ago) link
she has more power than just about any leftist in the united states. it's not getting her anywhere right now, but AOC not being able to figure out how to get power is not the problem
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:45 (one year ago) link
AOC being called a Leftist is laughable
― we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:52 (one year ago) link
Lots of jokes
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:59 (one year ago) link
she has more power than just about any leftist in the united states.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 16:02 (one year ago) link
I'd say she's a Leftist, tabes. A leftist seeks to ameliorate social problems through more equitable policies that rebalance power toward the powerless. I think what you're looking for is a radical, someone who insists that solving social ills requires striking at the root cause of those problems.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 21 May 2022 16:03 (one year ago) link