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Magic Number 6

Bee OK, Sunday, 26 September 2021 04:14 (two years ago) link

second three game sweep at Coors this month, with a team that doesn't lose at home. 5-1 road trip, will take it

Bee OK, Monday, 27 September 2021 00:28 (two years ago) link

Magic Number = 5

Bee OK, Monday, 27 September 2021 00:29 (two years ago) link

Magic Number = 4

Bee OK, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 05:30 (two years ago) link

congrats Bee.

sknybrg, Sunday, 3 October 2021 22:06 (two years ago) link

the logan webb game

that's not my post, Sunday, 3 October 2021 23:10 (two years ago) link

2 run homer to boot

sknybrg, Sunday, 3 October 2021 23:13 (two years ago) link

had a great time today

Bee OK, Monday, 4 October 2021 02:28 (two years ago) link

San Francisco Giants 2021 National League West Champions

Bee OK, Monday, 4 October 2021 02:29 (two years ago) link

i know i'm a pain in the ass board, why i stepped away...

Bee OK, Monday, 4 October 2021 02:30 (two years ago) link

... not at all, baseball is nerve-wracking. here's to hoping they can keep the magic alive. it's an odd numbered year but still

that's not my post, Monday, 4 October 2021 04:16 (two years ago) link

I’m ready for some playoffs

i still don't really know who's on this team but i'm really glad they kept pace through the whole season, it would've sucked if the dodgers caught up with them in the last few days

na (NA), Monday, 4 October 2021 14:02 (two years ago) link

Nominate Bee OK as the official ILX Giants fan rep

octobeard, Monday, 4 October 2021 23:44 (two years ago) link

Also holy crap... they DID it. If they can somehow win the NLDS I don't see anyone stopping them from a title

octobeard, Monday, 4 October 2021 23:44 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

damn this sucks

Buster Posey plans to announce his retirement tomorrow. The end of an era for the Giants.

— Alex Pavlovic (@PavlovicNBCS) November 3, 2021

It's the Final Cluntdiwn (Spottie), Thursday, 4 November 2021 00:13 (two years ago) link

it sure does but makes sense as he was only playing two and then taking a day

Bee OK, Thursday, 4 November 2021 00:33 (two years ago) link

i wish the beat writers would have let Posey break the news himself tomorrow as planned

Bee OK, Thursday, 4 November 2021 00:35 (two years ago) link

anyways, Spottie we have been talking about it here: rolling retirees: 2018 and beyond

Bee OK, Thursday, 4 November 2021 00:36 (two years ago) link

I am curious how the team will shape up in 2022. so much went right this season that i feel like there is no way they can pull this off again.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 4 November 2021 13:54 (two years ago) link

Posey Mauer and yadi are all HOFers... we gotta treat these catchers better man

In 5 or 6 years I think there's going to be a lot of talk about the importance of handling a pitching staff well and gamecalling

, Thursday, 4 November 2021 18:10 (two years ago) link

Buster Posey did a lot of great things during his career, but throwing the ball into Jake Peavy’s glove might just be his finest moment pic.twitter.com/wSgJxtENY0

— Ben Porter (@Ben13Porter) November 4, 2021

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 4 November 2021 18:44 (two years ago) link

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/well-see-you-in-cooperstown-buster-posey/

Bee OK, Friday, 5 November 2021 01:11 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

2021 was unbelievable and so looking forward to see what happens this year. Only one more hour until my Opening Day

Bee OK, Friday, 8 April 2022 18:59 (two years ago) link

me (yellow shirt) at the home opener in 89(?, maybe 88)
https://i.imgur.com/g29a69V.png

jammin on the dud (Spottie), Friday, 8 April 2022 19:17 (two years ago) link

fantastic pic

sknybrg, Friday, 8 April 2022 21:05 (two years ago) link

This fan is absolutely LIVING 👏

(via @Cut4) pic.twitter.com/HA05QT3Het

— Sports Illustrated (@SInow) April 8, 2022

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Friday, 8 April 2022 22:37 (two years ago) link

hero

jammin on the dud (Spottie), Friday, 8 April 2022 22:43 (two years ago) link

good stuff in this thread

Bee OK, Saturday, 9 April 2022 02:26 (two years ago) link

Giants should have lost this game today as it was sloppy but first day and expected. it was just great to hear Kruk and Kuip with Jon Miller as i guess Dave Flemming is dong the Masters.

Bee OK, Saturday, 9 April 2022 02:30 (two years ago) link

Heliot Ramos, who was called up earlier than most anticipated when bullpen arm John Brebbia went on the Bereavement List, started in left field and went 2 for 3 with two singles, a run scored and a strike out. It was a nice debut.

Bee OK, Monday, 11 April 2022 18:03 (two years ago) link

It was no surprise when the San Diego Padres expressed displeasure at Steven Duggar stealing second base with a nine-run lead Tuesday night, or when they were openly hostile to Mauricio Dubon after he laid down a bunt for a hit in the sixth inning, his team still up by nine. That's the way it's always been in baseball.

Major League Baseball for individual players is a game of survival,” said Kapler, a former player himself. “And Mauricio Dubón is depending upon his ability to be successful over a long period of time. He needs to use every tool at his disposal to be successful to stick at the major-league level, to demonstrate his value, to hone his craft. That doesn’t ebb and flow with the score. And it’s not just Mauricio. It’s Steven Duggar on the bases. It’s the pitcher on the mound. Everyone is competing on the baseball field. It doesn’t make any sense to have one part of the field stop competing and the other part keep competing.

Bee OK, Thursday, 14 April 2022 04:29 (two years ago) link

So there were fireworks in last night game as some unwritten rules were broken by the Giants. My thoughts are Dubón is probably gong to be cut when teams have to go back down to 26 players, is out of options and was doing nothing at the plate up until then. He just needed a base hit in the worst way. For me this was bullshit as it was bad sportsmanship. The Dugger stolen base to me was fine as there was still a lot of baseball to be played. Also according to Ken Rosenthal, teams have overcome 9-run deficits four times in the last decade. But he probably should not have done that either.

Bee OK, Thursday, 14 April 2022 04:39 (two years ago) link

I would like to here peoples thoughts on this whole ordeal.

Bee OK, Thursday, 14 April 2022 04:40 (two years ago) link

run up the score imo. break all of baseballs unwritten rules so we can move on from every single one of them

jammin on the dud (Spottie), Thursday, 14 April 2022 05:28 (two years ago) link

forbidden to run up the score on a big lead, but the other team has to score at least x runs by the end or every fan gets a taco

brimstead, Thursday, 14 April 2022 18:21 (two years ago) link

I thought this unwritten rule was tired as hell when the Padres broke it a million years ago so I certainly don't care about it now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-7WsrIS_Q0

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 14 April 2022 18:32 (two years ago) link

I just read, when they got rid of game 163 or the tie breaking game then the parameters are run differential. So there should not be any running up the score anymore in baseball?

Bee OK, Friday, 15 April 2022 01:50 (two years ago) link

I'm still torn, I think because of sportsmanship.

Bee OK, Friday, 15 April 2022 01:51 (two years ago) link

I don’t get the sportsmanship thing, why don’t they just call the damn game then?

brimstead, Friday, 15 April 2022 02:43 (two years ago) link

I just read, when they got rid of game 163 or the tie breaking game then the parameters are run differential. So there should not be any running up the score anymore in baseball?

― Bee OK, Thursday, April 14, 2022 9:50 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

that is not true

Per @MLB_PR, there will no longer be a "Game 163" to break ties for postseason eligibility. In 2022, MLB will instead use the following tiebreakers: pic.twitter.com/QKnZeWqPCp

— FOX Sports: MLB (@MLBONFOX) April 14, 2022

, Friday, 15 April 2022 05:26 (two years ago) link

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/why-giants-mike-krukow-thinks-mlb-unwritten-rules-are-different-now

The new collective bargaining agreement between MLB and the MLBPA eliminated the Game 163 tiebreaker, and now a mathematical formula -- which includes run differential -- will be used to break end-of-season ties. Scoring matters, no matter how big a team’s lead is.

So yeah, this stuff is confusing.

Bee OK, Friday, 15 April 2022 21:49 (two years ago) link

that's also wrong, it should've been corrected as it was here: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/padres-upset-at-giants-for-breaking-unwritten-rule-and-bunting-in-blowout/

CBS Sports incorrectly stated that run differential is one of the tiebreakers MLB will use instead of a Game 163 in the 2022 season in the initial version of this story. Run differential was discussed as a tiebreaker, but that rule did not make it into the new CBA. The five tiebreakers MLB is using this season are head-to-head record, intradivision record, interdivision record, last half of Intraleague games, and last half of Intraleague games plus one until the tie is broken. We apologize for the error.

, Saturday, 16 April 2022 02:46 (two years ago) link

I have been busy with Daft Punk but the unwritten rules are striking again.

On Friday, with the Giants up 7-1 in the ninth inning they did a hit and run and the Nationals were not happy about it:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/giants-disobey-unwritten-rule-again-play-hard-entire-game/o2dbo3hxtjtt1hea8ib0e9lh

On Sunday they kept playing and pilling on runs even in the ninth inning.

Bee OK, Monday, 25 April 2022 21:38 (one year ago) link

I'm torn but think they do need to respect the unwritten rules a bit as teams are getting pissed and things will get out of hand.

Bee OK, Monday, 25 April 2022 21:39 (one year ago) link

hit and runs are cool, being a sore loser is poor sportsmanship

brimstead, Monday, 25 April 2022 22:04 (one year ago) link

play til the game is over or change the rules so they arent 'unwritten' anymore

jammin on the dud (Spottie), Monday, 25 April 2022 22:07 (one year ago) link

i see brimstead already said that m/l

jammin on the dud (Spottie), Monday, 25 April 2022 22:07 (one year ago) link

https://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/arrogant-SF-Giants-are-ruining-baseball-by-trying-17126538.php?IPID=SFGate-HP-Editors-Picks

With a heavy heart, I must say: I’m not sure I can continue being a San Francisco Giants fan.

Yes, they look like contenders again. Sure, they have an intriguing, exciting roster of players. And yes, they’re winning lots of games.

But therein lies the problem – how are they winning those games? Unfortunately, the Giants seem to be under the impression that they can just score a bunch of runs, and then score even more runs later in the game, with absolutely no regard for the feelings of the opposing team.

Is that really the kind of team we want to root for? Shouldn’t we be fans of a team that tries to win the right way?

This past weekend’s series against the Washington Nationals provided a perfect example of the kind of team the Giants have unfortunately become. On Friday night, with a clearly insurmountable six-run lead in the ninth inning, Thairo Estrada had the unfettered audacity to try to steal second base and score on a base hit. Thankfully, he was thrown out at home before he could embarrass the Nationals any further, but what was he thinking? Would the Nationals really have scored seven runs in the ninth to win the game? Sure, the Giants scored seven runs in an inning earlier in the same game, but would it really have happened twice? No, statistically impossible.

Estrada’s actions rightfully drew the ire of Washington manager Dave Martinez, who called out Giants manager Gabe Kapler and his team for intentionally ignoring the delicate sensibilities of the Nationals players. But did the Giants learn their lesson? No.

On Sunday, after scoring five runs, the Giants — greedy as ever — simply couldn’t help themselves and went for more. Joc Pederson was at the plate in the seventh inning, having already homered earlier in the game. Decorum called for him to simply stand at the plate and not swing, since doing so would risk further humiliation for the Nationals; instead, he swung the bat and hit another home run.

Is that conduct becoming of a gentleman? I would venture to say it is the complete opposite. The rest of the Giants unfortunately decided to follow Pederson’s lead, adding on even more runs to win by a score of 12-3.

Obviously, the Giants haven’t stopped to consider just how scoring all of these runs might affect the feelings of their opponents. The Nationals, like the Padres a few weeks earlier, only wanted to come out and play a fun game of baseball, maybe have a few laughs, and then head home for the night. They didn’t expect to be thoroughly humiliated by a team that simply refused to stop playing hard after taking the lead. The Giants’ opponents are highly skilled, highly paid, grown adults. It’s high time Kapler and his players started to take that into account – by not trying, of course.

If the arrogant Giants aren’t going to stop competing for nine full innings, Major League Baseball should step in. It’s time to give other teams the option to forfeit a game once a deficit becomes too big to overcome. Let these teams save face, and save their bullpens, by allowing them to raise a white flag from the top step of their dugout. That way, they can avoid the embarrassment that comes from an opponent continuing to play the game of baseball.

For instance, how much better would Martinez and the Nationals have felt if they had been allowed to raise the white flag after the Giants scored their insurmountable fifth run on Sunday? Sure, the game wouldn’t have even lasted five full innings, but that's not the point. The point is the Nationals could’ve lost with dignity by losing more quickly. They’d have lower ERAs on their pitching staff, and they wouldn’t have had to suffer the indignity of watching Pederson’s home run trot a second time. It’s only fair.

Regrettably, baseball is too set in its ways to ever embrace this kind of radical change. So it’s going to be up to teams like the Giants to police themselves, adhere to the unwritten rules, and stop playing so damn hard all the time.

But it may be too late for me, and thousands of Giants fans like me, who can’t in good conscience continue to root for a team that refuses to take the feelings of the opposition into account. Please, Giants, I’m begging you: play the game the right way. The unwritten rules are there for a reason. Let’s start being gentlemanly and adhere to them.

And if Dave Martinez happens to be reading this, I profoundly apologize on behalf of all San Francisco fans for the utterly disgusting way the Giants swept your team. I can’t imagine what you’re going through. Stay strong.

Dave Tobener (@gggiants on Twitter) is a lifelong Giants fan whose family has had season tickets for over 30 years. He’s been lucky enough to never miss a World Series game in the City in his lifetime, still isn’t completely over 2002 and lives and dies with the Giants every year.

Bee OK, Wednesday, 27 April 2022 23:42 (one year ago) link


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