"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDSPgorO6hs

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 26 September 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link

yeah pay more to the low paid workers that you aren't deporting this week

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 00:16 (two years ago) link

i’m construing that as a little tip for the UK

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 26 September 2021 00:18 (two years ago) link

not a good example!

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 00:20 (two years ago) link

Delegates suspended, prevented from entering Conference, or turned away for wearing Corbyn t-shirts. Rule changes to restrict democratic participation and insulate an out-of-touch elite from accountability. Morbid symptoms of a Party utterly unsuited to the moment and the times.

— Joe Guinan (@joecguinan) September 25, 2021

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 01:09 (two years ago) link

Asked whether Labour would renationalise the big six energy firms, Keir Starmer says: "No." He adds: "I do not agree with the argument that says we must be ideological."

because Thatcherism isn't an ideology and its legacy will be putting millions of people into fuel poverty while this tool courts Tory voters.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 09:15 (two years ago) link

Rachel Reeves announces an Office of Value for Money

It’s the central proposal of our recent report Prizing the Public Pound

this would be quite laughable if it wasn't imbued with the purest of evil intent.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 09:19 (two years ago) link

Peter Piper prized a pound from the public purse

Are You Still in Love With Me, Klas-Göran? (Tom D.), Sunday, 26 September 2021 09:45 (two years ago) link

Lisa Nandy was giving one of them apocryphal anecdotes about a "working class" constituent phoning her with concerns about the public pound and Labour offering too much under Corbyn.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 09:57 (two years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAFG_b8VkAc1bYR?format=png&name=small

oh it's an old one and this was a dig aimed at Ed Miliband's out of control austerity lite program!

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 10:02 (two years ago) link

Very Serious People

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 26 September 2021 10:12 (two years ago) link

there is a funny otm comment in the thread about Nandy: she has the demeanour of a copper telling you a relative had died in an accident.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 10:16 (two years ago) link

NEW: Peter Mandelson publicly backs Keir Starmer's reforms, saying millions of voters "know what [they] mean" and are "cheering" him on.

Starmer allies confident ahead of vote later.

New Labour grandee tells me: "Millions of Labour voters are cheering and egging Keir on..." 1/2

— Gabriel Pogrund (@Gabriel_Pogrund) September 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 10:43 (two years ago) link

egging him sounds like a plan

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 11:00 (two years ago) link

this unbridled enthusiasm for Kieth's factionalist power grab is not often reflected in the high street vox pops, nor any public "meet the people" appearances where he anonymously trudges the streets. No it's just most of the PLP and the Graun/right wing media who actually have any enthusiasm for it.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 11:11 (two years ago) link

any of the thin gruel he's offering is drowned out by most of the reportage being about his anti-democratic reforms and also are completely undermined by his rep as a liar. Even The Mirror are commenting on him tearing up his public ownership pledge. Even though he used the vague term "Common Ownership" he did lie to a hustings audience that he would re-nationalise water and electricity.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 11:29 (two years ago) link

because that’s “ideological” apparently. not because they’re essential public services that private industry has been relentlessly cocking up despite lining their pockets with millions. ffs.

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 26 September 2021 11:44 (two years ago) link

POLL: Would you support bringing energy companies back into public ownership?

White heavy check mark Support: 53%
Cross mark Oppose: 15%

Via
@OpiniumResearch
, September 2021

he could be even a few points ahead if he wasn't so stuck on the Thatcherite ideology

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 11:55 (two years ago) link

but if these millions of lifelong Labour voters dying to flock back to the Party as long as it doesn't offer socialism aren't real then why on earth would the non-ideological centrists make them up?

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 26 September 2021 12:01 (two years ago) link

🚨BREAKING🚨

Here's the moment Labour Conference 2021 voted to support our Socialist Green New Deal motion and a green jobs revolution ✊ pic.twitter.com/TFLic6B3t1

— Labour for a Green New Deal (@LabGND) September 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 12:11 (two years ago) link

can you imagine sticking your hand up to vote against GND? who the fuck are these cunts?

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 26 September 2021 12:24 (two years ago) link

Very Serious People

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 26 September 2021 12:25 (two years ago) link

I was reading the other day that the GMB gen sec Gary Smith is vehemently opposed to GND, the weapons-grade arsehole that he is.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 12:58 (two years ago) link

Young people were ignored by @Keir_Starmer when we asked him where he stood on the #GreenNewDeal in Brighton today.

£85 billion is the minimum we would need to create millions of good green jobs.

But Keir won’t even commit to that? pic.twitter.com/k9UHHQRBqe

— Green New Deal Rising (@GNDRising) September 26, 2021

Foul pointless dog turd of a human

glumdalclitch, Sunday, 26 September 2021 13:20 (two years ago) link

let me make sure i've got this straight

- wages are not high enough to attract poultry workers and truck drivers here to fill these jobs
- so workers from elsewhere are imported to do the work
- prices of goods and chicken can now stay low
- so that our underemployed and underpaid workforce can afford them


Yes. It’s when the Tories apparently clock how Brexit fucks them and their companies by removing low-wage labour and start to dismantle it by stealth. BINO from the other side.

stet, Sunday, 26 September 2021 14:50 (two years ago) link

a new bbc period drama in which antifascists attempt infiltrate a far right group featuring tracy ann oberman and eddie marsan

conrad, Sunday, 26 September 2021 19:50 (two years ago) link

So the Unison delegation will vote against the union’s policy & the democratic decisions of its elected National Executive Committee. As a Unison member since the founding of the Union & before that a Nupe member I never envisaged my union being taken being subverted in this way. https://t.co/8edJAfkeyk

— John McDonnell MP (@johnmcdonnellMP) September 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 19:51 (two years ago) link

BREAKING Starmer's rule changes have passed, according to sources. Breakdown expected shortly.

— Jessica Elgot (@jessicaelgot) September 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 19:54 (two years ago) link

Vote breakdown is out - triggers and changes to leadership threshold were passed narrowly by 53.67% to 46.33%

— Eleni Courea (@EleniCourea) September 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 20:08 (two years ago) link

what happened there? did they ban enough delegates from the conference last week to get it through

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 20:15 (two years ago) link

Looks like it was Unison that was the difference

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 20:24 (two years ago) link

Unions voting to diminish their power is so fucking sensible

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 20:34 (two years ago) link

out of control union delegates voting against their instructions for presumably personal gain is how i read that timeline

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 26 September 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link

Yeah it was the delegates, which is fucked up.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 20:43 (two years ago) link

it would be nice if the people around Corbyn during his time as leader could look at this and learn how to properly crush your political enemies but who cares, the ship has sailed, lol nothing matters

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 26 September 2021 20:48 (two years ago) link

Definitely sailed for now. It's pretty astonishing how shortages were not used at all, instead it was these bureaucratic changes by weirdos which won't matter as these ppl will be crushed in 18 months.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 20:56 (two years ago) link

I keep looking back to how earnest and weak the RLB campaign was, they were in a factional war but kowtowed to this nonsense about keeping it polite and not personal while the Starmer campaign ran roughshod over them with dirty tactics. It's not their fault the membership were a bunch of guileless wankers and melts but they really should have realised this was last chance saloon for the left in Labour for probably decades and fought back much smarter.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 20:58 (two years ago) link

It was v hard after an election defeat.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 21:06 (two years ago) link

I joined the party in december 2019 and left about 6 months later, during the leadership campaign i used to get phone calls asking me if starmer had my support - they were incredulous when i said i was voting for RLB

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 26 September 2021 21:09 (two years ago) link

Had to check it was today about three times.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-58698403.amp

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 21:20 (two years ago) link

Unison is the main union in my work and I've often thought I should be in a union but fuck that and fuck them.

Are You Still in Love With Me, Klas-Göran? (Tom D.), Sunday, 26 September 2021 21:21 (two years ago) link

I've never been a member of a union in my life and a colleague that joined Unite got fuck all from them during that 2007-08 period when companies realised they could use the financial crisis as a handy stick to beat workers even harder with. And lots of self-identifying "trade-unionist" type people often are very conservative in my experience.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 21:54 (two years ago) link

Larry Elliott wrote these crises up last week. That's how weak Lab's opposition is right now.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/22/triple-crunch-tories-labour

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 22:42 (two years ago) link

The assumption seems to be that such is the weakness of the opposition, the government can get away with anything.

yep, this is precisely why Starmer is complicit with so much bad stuff, and that he genuinely deserves even more contempt than tories.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 22:57 (two years ago) link

It seems to me that the only unions that are doing anything important in the UK are small independent unions and maybe the teaching/nursing unions. The tuc is very good at its job of clipping the wings of Union power.

plax (ico), Monday, 27 September 2021 07:12 (two years ago) link

“This is not the moment to be looking at nationalising companies”

Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves MP tells #BBCBreakfast Labour will focus on issues that impact ‘day-to-day life’ despite conferences delegates backing nationalising energy. https://t.co/cyPn2CCEVf pic.twitter.com/1FkmKdeeUX

— BBC Breakfast (@BBCBreakfast) September 27, 2021

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 27 September 2021 08:08 (two years ago) link

one thing that gave me much cheer during Corbyn era was that hideous ghoul getting marginalised to background noise

calzino, Monday, 27 September 2021 08:17 (two years ago) link

Fuck Mandelson that is all

nashwan, Monday, 27 September 2021 09:10 (two years ago) link

Tories to be in power until every atom of the Corbyn-era is dusted off.

My instinct from observing opening days of this conference (very possibly wrong) is that no-one who served on Corbyn's front bench can successfully lead a transformation of Labour's prospects. Question is how, and over what time scale that changeover happens.

— Rafael Behr (@rafaelbehr) September 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Monday, 27 September 2021 09:23 (two years ago) link

Her big day, she's ready.

this is what peak performance looks like pic.twitter.com/qPh2JrWkln

— ian mighty ft. eugene cobwebs (@iammightor) September 27, 2021

xyzzzz__, Monday, 27 September 2021 09:25 (two years ago) link


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