"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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despite the UK's huge media transphobe industrial complex, most libs/melts I know still haven't drunk that particular kool aid and I think keith knows he'd alienate these types if he went full duffield

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 13:54 (two years ago) link

i'm not saying i was expecting him to go full duffield, just expectations for him are so low that making actual concessions to the transphobe wing of the party seemed very possible

A senior Labour MP has told the BBC she is frustrated with the “oxygen” that the row over Rosie Duffield’s views on transgender issues was getting.

She added: "It's all the same arguments as the gay panic in the 80s rehashed."https://t.co/jpLRJe2baz

— Ione Wells (@ionewells) September 20, 2021

like the state of things is that senior mps apparently aren't even willing to put their names to criticising duffield. while she's just a backbencher she clearly enjoys significant support from some sections of the party

ufo, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 14:05 (two years ago) link

was interesting to see LRM two days ago criticising her but not daring to actually name her

It’s bi-awareness week.
Erasure is as describing bi “men who marry women” as “appropriating gay culture” & “cosplay”: its bi-phobia.
How we ensure everyone’s rights are protected is a sensitive debate made harmful by misinformed inputs by straight people about bi or queer people. https://t.co/hRV6UYA0YA

— Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP🌹🏳️‍🌈 (@lloyd_rm) September 20, 2021

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 14:13 (two years ago) link

I imagine the reason is some focus group has led them to believe the red wall proles are all for stringing up trans women from the nearest lampposts.

Are You Still in Love With Me, Klas-Göran? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 14:26 (two years ago) link

More likely they’re angling for some of the Harry Potter money.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 14:38 (two years ago) link

Sounds like serious pushback to Starmer rule change plans in TULO meeting, with even friendly unions asking for a pause, union source says.
Trigger ballots cd still get thru in a slimmed down package, but elec college reform may be "dead in the water". Ball in Starmer's court

oh dearie me

calzino, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 14:44 (two years ago) link

I did click but there were loads of ads and the text disappeared somewhere, the quote at the top looks pretty damning.

― edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 bookmarkflaglink

One day all newspapers will be like this.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 14:48 (two years ago) link

by the sounds of the way things are going the main reporting on the conference is going to be a lot of "Starmer EC plan defeated by unions" headlines. lol the guy is an imbecile

calzino, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 15:00 (two years ago) link

perhaps he's misjudged how the more right-wing unions would respond to it, but being the leader he should be on top of these things before briefing the media on what he's planning to do. he's incompetent.

calzino, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 15:12 (two years ago) link

There's a lot of nonsense being spoken by the Labour leadership & its friendly media about how Keir fixing the leadership election rules for his faction is intended to empower trade unions. It isn't, and it won't. It's just a factional power grab. Here's why. >

— Alex Nunns (@alexnunns) September 22, 2021

good Nunns thread on unions + how EC reform is not even in the interest of right-wing unions like GMB

calzino, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 15:46 (two years ago) link

https://t.co/aozIybI9Yl pic.twitter.com/wXekzhEVE1

— pez (@periuspb) September 22, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link

once you've been DPP and had dinner with the MI5 boss, for the rest of your life you feel like a gangster. That Politics For Ali is a garbage account - but good work there I suppose!

calzino, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 21:22 (two years ago) link

the threat was instead of getting sued he will be impelled by a court of law to read a 14000 word essay by Kieth.

calzino, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 21:33 (two years ago) link

That Politics For Ali is a garbage account - but good work there I suppose!

― calzino, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Yeah though I admire the hustle.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link

I won't when this account becomes PM though

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link

Here , finally , are Starmer's 10 principles from his 14k word essay. Too long winded and bland to be chiselled onto an "ed stone" .For the many words with the few real meanings pic.twitter.com/z5aXuDY71W

— Solomon Hughes (@SolHughesWriter) September 22, 2021

looks like excruciating stuff "work hard play by the rules get treated fairly" "hard working families". Fuck off cunt I'm proud I haven't done a hard day's work for any wealth creator in a decade.

calzino, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 21:50 (two years ago) link

"Contribution society" feels like the critical phrase there. So if you're below the tax threshold I guess you can fuck off then.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 21:56 (two years ago) link

Lol @ "current levels of waste" after a decade of austerity and a year where you needed to pay ppl to stay home so they weren't at risk of getting covid!

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 22:11 (two years ago) link

I think Kieth was a fan of the britannia unchained manifesto on the quiet tbh.

calzino, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 22:13 (two years ago) link

At this point, I have nothing more to contribute to the LP conversation. The time I spent with comrades, hopeful, energised, walking miles, knocking doors, fighting injustice seems light years away. All that vanished in the space of 2 years. Nice one, Starmer. Job done👌

— BEA EM PUNK (@itrainedflowers) September 21, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 22:18 (two years ago) link

if you had some faith in the idea that Kieth is anti-austerity then "current levels of waste" could be attacking the cronyism and corruption, but he's been so weak on that front it can easily be taken as sounding quite sinister.

calzino, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 22:18 (two years ago) link

It’s practically indistinguishable from Johnson’s own bromides.

“Change with the times” by listing out ten things that could have been written at any point since 1950.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 22:22 (two years ago) link

even the boring people think it's thin gruel, lol https://t.co/e8ytCIDtFp

— Frank Sobotka (@cymrurouge) September 22, 2021

calzino, Wednesday, 22 September 2021 22:41 (two years ago) link

i was on board til the point he reveals that the journey will not always be simple

conrad, Thursday, 23 September 2021 09:12 (two years ago) link

don't worry, as long as keep working very hard and play by the rules you will be treated fairly. Hang on a minute why am I quoting David Cameron?

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 09:34 (two years ago) link

looks like excruciating stuff "work hard play by the rules get treated fairly" "hard working families". Fuck off cunt I'm proud I haven't done a hard day's work for any wealth creator in a decade

ime "They're a hard worker" is what people say when they have to come up with something positive about a work colleague who is an absolute cunt.

Are You Still in Love With Me, Klas-Göran? (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 September 2021 09:36 (two years ago) link

It's good to see Kieth returning to the values of real Labour i.e. ensuring a steady pool of compliant workers for capitalists to exploit

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 09:41 (two years ago) link

Christ I don't think I read those 10 points last night, feel a wee bit murderous now

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 09:43 (two years ago) link

maybe if he chiselled them into a monolith he'd get a better reaction

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 23 September 2021 09:45 (two years ago) link

Gonna need a bigger monolith, bloviating cunt

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 09:46 (two years ago) link

Love to see a bit of non-nationalist patriotism tho

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 09:46 (two years ago) link

This is extraordinary.

It's desperately bad stuff.

But has he really written a 14,000-word essay? How did he find the time to do that? It's what an MA student would do.

the pinefox, Thursday, 23 September 2021 09:46 (two years ago) link

The good thing is this is not going to win. People want the real stuff, i.e. what the Tories are offering.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 September 2021 09:48 (two years ago) link

It also links to ingrained Victorian values of the “deserving poor” not the supposedly lazy, feckless, bone idle, the criminals and lumpen elements. It’s the Protestant work ethic writ large on people who “work hard” and there deserve more wages as they deliver for the bosses. https://t.co/JX3UG1SKfP

— local lefty historian (@Simon_P_Hannah) September 23, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 September 2021 10:02 (two years ago) link

some people might work incredibly hard because they are fearful of the consequences of losing their shit jobs. But wankers like Kieth who are brought up by the factory management classes want to think for their own conservative purposes that they're into some kind of self-loathing masochistic proddy work ethic. He's that clueless because the closest thing to class struggle he's experienced is going to a middling to quite posh school where some other kids are slightly posher than him.

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 10:05 (two years ago) link

James Ball, of all people, pointing out that if you’re not saying anything your political opponents would disagree with, you might as well not bother saying anything at all.

Again, this is a pitch to donors, not the electorate though.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Thursday, 23 September 2021 10:11 (two years ago) link

he'll never recover from the shame of getting dropped by James Ball. A complete melt I know was once boasting that he was very proud that his son had learned an important lesson about fact checking from his LBC show on the car radio.

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 11:01 (two years ago) link

Hard-working families reduces everybody to an economic unit so of course it erases the disabled, carers, unpaid labour, children except as potential future units of production, the elderly, etc etc etc

These scumbags are exactly equal to the Tories in their role as the enemy of human life

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 11:48 (two years ago) link

What kills me - lol nevermind, it all kills me obv - but what's so telling is you could spin a web of promiseless platitudes that was caring and optimistic and looked to a better future for the planet - it would still be an empty gesture, but if you're doing empty gestures how broken and inhuman do you have to be to go down the Gradgrind route?

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 11:51 (two years ago) link

yes it's very intimidating to disabled voters, who might have not thought much of Kieth but considered voting for him could be a harm reduction option.

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 11:56 (two years ago) link

Fuck any idiot in future who thinks we need THIS to save us from the Tories

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 11:58 (two years ago) link

When Kieth waxes lyrical about his hard working dad walking down the factory floor (of which he apparently owned) he misses out the bit that the workers there hated his guts and were doing comedy-death sweepstakes on when he's going to die and putting iron filings in his coffee.

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 11:59 (two years ago) link

Love the most timid hint at anything resembling a left-wing stance in "it is not good enough to just surrender to market forces" immediately followed with "the role of government is to be a partner to private enterprise, not stifle it", lest the potential donors get the wrong idea.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 23 September 2021 12:00 (two years ago) link

apparently it's not even 14000 words, some word-counters are say its more like 11.5k. Which is still too much.

calzino, Thursday, 23 September 2021 12:13 (two years ago) link

"chances in life should not be determined by the circumstances of your birth" is radical tbf, I assume it means 100% Inheritance Tax and the abolition of private education as a minimum

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 12:34 (two years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/GHqI0Fk.jpg

conrad, Thursday, 23 September 2021 13:05 (two years ago) link

Hôtel Sieweburen; 36 Rue des Sept-Fontaines, 2534 Luxembourg https://t.co/kYV1ZSZijP pic.twitter.com/ocCF1TGscx

— Random Restaurant (@_restaurant_bot) September 23, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 September 2021 13:28 (two years ago) link

That's better than this tweet.

Much of the talk has focused on Wes Streeting, who is tipped as a future leader by. According to the register of interests, he received £45k in donations this year.

Source: 'He’s basically mid campaign now even though there is no contest. He is everywhere, doing everything.'

— Alexandra Rogers (@journoamrogers) September 23, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 September 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link

Is it ok to wish harm on Streeting again now?

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 23 September 2021 13:35 (two years ago) link

Wes Streeting, who is tipped as a future leader by.

No typo here

nashwan, Thursday, 23 September 2021 13:47 (two years ago) link


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