2021 awards thread

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I think after Cole’s start today, bringing his ERA over 3; Ray has to have the edge now. He’s leading in ERA, ERA+, strikeouts and bWAR. Fangraphs, for whatever reason, isn’t as high on Ray as they are Cole or even Eovaldi, but I doubt that’s going to effect things much. And, tho it shouldn’t really factor into the award, he also hit 1,000 career IP this season and became the all time leader in K/9.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 19 September 2021 22:58 (one month ago) link

Had no idea Robbie Ray was so high on that list--never really paid much attention to him before this year. I would have assumed Sale was #1.

clemenza, Monday, 20 September 2021 23:37 (one month ago) link

I have no fucking idea why the jays broadcast team hasn’t made a bigger deal out of it.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 04:47 (one month ago) link

Jays got to Cole somewhat last night, 3 runs over 6. Ray going tonight and a halfway decent performance I think is all he needs.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 30 September 2021 12:08 (three weeks ago) link

not quite half way decent last night, but i think he's still the best option for the Cy this year.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 1 October 2021 21:18 (three weeks ago) link

Both MVPs look obvious to me and Ray should be the AL Cy winner. ROYs I’m not sure about - and NL Cy, I have no fucking idea.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 03:04 (three weeks ago) link

Harper or Tatis?

clemenza, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 03:17 (three weeks ago) link

Does the Padres' meltdown rule out Tatis? I thought most people here don't care where the team finishes...or are meltdowns a separate category?

clemenza, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 03:18 (three weeks ago) link

Forgot about Soto...I don't think the NL MVP is obvious. Trea Turner leads them all in fWAR.

clemenza, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 03:20 (three weeks ago) link

I felt like it was Soto going into the final weeks, but I should take a closer look.
Too busy grappling with the NL Cy right now tho. If anyone needs me, I’ll be in the study.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 03:59 (three weeks ago) link

ok. definitely a lot closer than i thought. especially with Turner – who's up there with Soto and Harper. Tatis was better than i thought too, but I don't like him as much as the other three.
bbref liked Tatis best in terms of WAR (with Soto second) and FG is leaning Turner (with Harper and Soto close behind) – the main factor between the two being defence.
Tatis lead in HR, Harper in SLG/OPS/2B, Turner in AVG/SB/TB and Soto in OBP/BB. but of all the things these guys led the league in, Soto's OBP was the one i found easily the most impressive (.465 – better than any active player's season aside from Votto in '12 and Soto last year).
this is so close... maybe Turner playing for a playoff team tips it in his favour? maybe the collapse & turbulence moves tatis behind the other three? gee wiz

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 14:59 (three weeks ago) link

i don't think turner will finish in the top three (although he may well deserve to). and in his case being on a playoff team cuts the other way as well -- the dodgers are so loaded that he doesn't stand out quite as much. harper probably has the best case for 'carrying his team' even if they didn't quite make it

and i think tatis will be hurt by missing 32 games, and the padres' abject collapse, and probably the dugout arguments too tbh

mookieproof, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 15:15 (three weeks ago) link

that's a good point about the Dodgers being stacked (plus he wasn't even there for the majority of the season).

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 5 October 2021 15:20 (three weeks ago) link

I'd vote for Harper. I have a dumb, sour-grapes reason for not voting Soto; he didn't do a whole lot those final three games. (And if, with lots of media paying attention, he had gone on a tear and helped knock the Red Sox out, I think that would have clinched the award for him.)

clemenza, Tuesday, 5 October 2021 21:43 (three weeks ago) link

If you believe that a) WAR is just a rough estimate once two players are within a game of each other, and b) bWAR is as valid as fWAR, then you could make a reasonable case for Paul Goldschmidt as a somewhat sentimental pick. He'd be like Willie Stargell in 1979. Truthfully, I think he'd be the favourite if it were 1980.

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:19 (three weeks ago) link

Not with just 99 RBIs!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:45 (three weeks ago) link

Aaaaand now that I look - Stargell win it with just 82 somehow in ‘79

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:47 (three weeks ago) link

trea turner seems like a perfect early 80s mvp

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 22:52 (three weeks ago) link

You're right, though, RBIs were synonymous with MVPs, and most years 99 would be a hard sell for a first baseman. (Mitigated, probably, by a low league-leading 113.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 6 October 2021 23:09 (three weeks ago) link

Can you explain to me how Stargell won in 79, because I can not figure it out.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 October 2021 23:36 (three weeks ago) link

otm

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:12 (two weeks ago) link

I guess the pirates finishing first had a bunch to do with it?

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:23 (two weeks ago) link

i think the fact that he looked so cool that season also helped. the '79 pirates garb is legendary. of course this is your mvp!

https://i.imgur.com/c7H6dX5.jpg

typo hell #12: a hundreds of millions of people (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 October 2021 00:50 (two weeks ago) link

James used to say that he won for a great September that wasn't even good: .222/.328/.485.

clemenza, Thursday, 7 October 2021 01:00 (two weeks ago) link

Those hats the real mvp

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 7 October 2021 01:00 (two weeks ago) link


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