Retire, Breyer: another September 2021 US Politics thread

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xp to aimless' apology. As a constituent as well, Schrader is an embarrassment. He lost his way from being a good (but moderate) state legislator to this.

And sorry about Kristof, too. At least he has no chance of winning.

righteousmaelstrom, Friday, 17 September 2021 19:31 (two years ago) link

Lol at first I thought Bill Kristol was running for governor.

Porking level G4 (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 17 September 2021 19:35 (two years ago) link

BTW a Washington Post ad for one of their awful digital panel discussions labeled his head shot as "Billy Kristol."

Porking level G4 (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 17 September 2021 19:36 (two years ago) link

righteousmaelstrom, may I suggest you email him and tell him what an embarrassment he's become? I did immediately after posting my apology here. It felt good.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Friday, 17 September 2021 20:13 (two years ago) link

surprised he hasn't named his column Kristolnacht.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 September 2021 20:16 (two years ago) link

Tweets really are the only thing the powerless have left.

I can’t believe this has to be said, but a teacher shouldn’t pay a higher tax rate than a hedge fund manager.

— President Biden (@POTUS) September 16, 2021

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 September 2021 12:07 (two years ago) link

LOL the "Justice for J6" protest is a bust (so far).

Porking level G4 (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 18 September 2021 16:23 (two years ago) link

Also, hopping steaming mad, just screaming, that the US won't buy diesel submarines (lol) from...France???!!!

Porking level G4 (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 18 September 2021 16:26 (two years ago) link

it's not about that, it's about selling them to Australia. france used to sell their shitty subs to australia. now the US is going to sell their nuclear subs to australia. that way, people in southeast asia will be more frightened that we're going to try to murder all of them again. meanwhile, france is mad because they used to be an empire and be a cultural capital of the world, and now everyone is just like "wow, france sucks"

typo punishment 3: people shouldn't have to feel like they have ea (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 September 2021 16:46 (two years ago) link

Call that a sub, more like a baguette. Suck it Frenchy. USA USA.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 18 September 2021 17:08 (two years ago) link

Can't wait for these nuclear subs to sort of sit around for a while and drive around a bit for a few decades before being scraped when they're obsolete.

— Greg "ABC News" Larsen (@gregmlarsen) September 16, 2021

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 18 September 2021 17:08 (two years ago) link

i think there's a conspiracy. i think there are COMPANIES - MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPANIES THAT ARE VERY COMPLEX - who may be making money off these nuclear subs. and then, when they're obsolete, i believe there are secret companies that may financially benefit from scraping them off of the cold, shitty, ocean floor. then, I think there are companies that will be very happy to build new subs to replace them. it's almost like this entire life is an exercise to make money for other people

typo punishment 3: people shouldn't have to feel like they have ea (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 September 2021 17:12 (two years ago) link

if only dwight eisenhower would have clearly warned the world about this

typo punishment 3: people shouldn't have to feel like they have ea (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 September 2021 17:12 (two years ago) link

He hangs by a political thread, and knows it. https://t.co/8RW45MJewq

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) September 18, 2021

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 September 2021 17:23 (two years ago) link

it’s not a pivot, he’s been gaullist from the beginning and hanging by a thread from the beginning

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 18 September 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link

Kyrsten Sinema: America's Wine Aunt

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 18 September 2021 22:31 (two years ago) link

she is
fabulous

I guess the only sort of good news is that no one can stand her, except the wealthiest slice of Democratic donors (which is sadly more than enough way too often)

It will be interesting to see how they tank any kind of credible primary threat. perhaps fund a stunt ‘progressive’ candidate to take the dive. that’s what I’d do

caddy lac brougham? (will), Saturday, 18 September 2021 22:51 (two years ago) link

Marge Greene says in 2022 she is going to “blow away the Democrats’ socialist agenda,” then blows up a car with “socialism” on it with a 50-caliber rifle she is auctioning off for contributions. pic.twitter.com/b10wGwVVW2

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) September 18, 2021

There are plenty of GOP reps in Congress who'll happily borrow that idea.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Sunday, 19 September 2021 20:43 (two years ago) link

There was a thing going around FB from a gun guy when still from that shoot came out about how no rational* citizen needs a gun like that, and besides she had the scope on backwards.

*Yeah, I know.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 September 2021 21:32 (two years ago) link

Found It (originally posted by activist Joohn Choe):

Let me explain what is going on here.

That is a Barrett M82A1. Given it's Taylor-Greene, it's probably in .50 BMG.

That's $9.5k or so; it looks like she (or whoever's gun she's borrowing) went with a cheapo Leupold (a VX-6? So, comparatively cheap) in a backwards scope mount, which is a bad idea.

You see, more commonly, with people who can afford $10,000 guns, that they'll at least spend $3,000 on a scope (Schmidt & Bender PM II, Nightforce ATACR 7-35 or even Leupold Mark Vs are common choices) and another $500 on a heavy-duty scope mount (Spuhr, Aadland, Badger Ordnance).

What she's got on there is probably going to break at some point - right at the cantilever point, most likely - and ruin that scope and injure someone. .50 BMG guns are legendary for breaking scopes.

In terms of ammo, at a minimum, that's $2.50 per round; if you shoot commercial ammo, closer to $4.00, even more for specialized rounds like armor-piercing .50 BMG - which, of course you can buy as a civilian, it's America, duh.

So, one, .50 BMG is stupidly expensive to own and to shoot. This is a bougie gun, if such a thing could be said to exist, but it looks like it was put together by some kind of nimrod who didn't know how to set up a rifle.

Two, there's nowhere to shoot it. It's extremely impractical to own.

There are four commonly accepted rules of firearms; if there's any one rule that everyone forgets, it's #4. Those rules go:

1. Every firearm is always loaded
2. Never point the firearm at anything you do not wish to shoot
3. Finger straight and off the trigger until the sights are on target and you are ready to shoot
4. Always be aware of what is behind your target

The thing about Rule #4 and .50 BMG projectiles is that each one is around 700 grains, or 1.6 ounces, and they move very, very fast, 2,800 to 3,000 fps.

By comparison, for a commonly used civilian cartridge like the venerable .308 Winchester, you're loading 150-175 grain projectiles (if you're making ammunition to load from a magazine with a limited box length), maybe specialized 175-220 grain very-low-drag projectiles (if you're a competitive shooter in, say, F-class, who loads individually into a single-shot rifle and you're not worried about magazine length). And those bullets are poking along at 2,300 to 2,700 fps.

Even with .308 Winchester, you get problems with shooting through things. With .50 BMG, that's a given.

As a result, there is literally nowhere safe to shoot this thing.

If you let this off in your backyard, you are going to put a 700 grain projectile through the target, through your fence, and into your neighbor's house at about 2,900 fps.

Some shooting ranges won't even let you shoot it. The concussion and blast that comes out of the ports on the muzzle brake - that thing on the very tip of the muzzle, where you can see open ports - is extremely severe, and it's angled to the sides and back somewhat, right at the people next to you on a firing line.

I've been next to a police sniper team (at a public range for some reason) a few years back with a .416 Barrett. Every time they shot that thing, they'd say "FIRING FIRING FIRING", and you'd wonder why ("wow dude that's really hardcore is that necessary?") and when it went off, everyone's spotting scopes and some rifles would get knocked over from the concussion from the muzzle brake on just that... up to two lanes over. And then you'd realize why they made such a big deal about it.

A weapon like that, much more so than guns period, is actually where, if you're holding it, 99% of the universe at any given moment is something you don't want to point that at.

Shoot it upwards and there is a good risk that you will shoot the next county over, or, entertainingly, potentially yourself, like some kind of idiot artillery piece or lawn dart. Shoot it downwards and you will not only make a giant crater and feel like an idiot, you will run a very real risk of severe bodily injury from massive, high-speed fragments of shrapnel.

There is only a limited area of targets that you even want to point this thing at, limited to things you either *really don't like* or don't care about (or are not legally liable for), keeping Rules #2 and #4 in mind, and that makes it absurd to own.

It's a statement piece, at best, that no one cares about. It's not even a status symbol so much as it is a red flag for dating. Really, if you look at the history of the development on the M82 "light fifty" and the kind of businessman that Ronnie Barrett was - "iconoclastic" is putting it charitably - and it's a statement more than a proper weapon all the way back to its inception; it's just fortuitous that it ended up actually being moderately useful for trained personnel shooting vehicles.

Three, it's not even an accurate rifle; the M82 was designed to serve as a human-portable (somewhat, it's a 30 lb. weapon) anti-materiel weapon that a human being could fire. The spring-loaded recoil-absorbing mechanism in it actually makes it less accurate because the "lock-up" when the weapon goes into battery is minutely different each time; it is arguably intrinsically inaccurate.

Early versions of the M82 platform - some of them still in service today - are 2 minute-of-angle (MOA) guns, optimistically.

That means, if you shoot them, let's say, 100 times, in a controlled condition, with the shot breaking the same way every time, pointed at exactly the same place, you're going to get 100 little bullet holes making a spray area roughly 2 MOA, or about 2 inches (2.070", for what it's worth) at 100 yards, in diameter. In practice, you're looking at 3-4 MOA with imperfect people operating it and varying weather conditions.

Again, as a comparison, if someone is making or shooting common .308 Winchester rounds - they're used a lot in hunting - and they're getting 3-4 MOA, something is wrong. With my friend's Sig 716 Patrol - just an unimpressive weapon, really, I was not wowed by it in any way - and a 5-20 scope, I can routinely keep it under 1 MOA, 3/4th MOA with quality handloads or match rounds, and that's not even a precision weapon. If you're shooting a bolt-action rifle, 1 MOA is a starting point; you're aiming for half a minute of angle, less.

As Townsend Whelen said, "only accurate rifles are interesting".

This... impractical machine that Taylor-Greene is operating, useful for literally nothing else but shooting, like, old appliances in the desert at $5 a round, is not even an interesting rifle.

This is a pattern.

Trashy weapon, threatening posture, and always, a thin veneer of Instagram "gun-bunny" posturing overlaying stark ignorance and rank mediocrity: that is Taylor-Greene's other gun pic, that's Boebert's "guns to books ratio" pic from earlier this year, that's Cawthorn, that's Gaetz, that's pretty much the entire Q caucus if you look back at them.

Read "threat" and "scary" into this behavior and you are, to some degree, falling into the trap they want you to; and it's not even an accurate reading, because the truth of this behavior is even less flattering than being a threat.

It's just crass, unoriginal posturing; it's all show and no go.

That's why you don't see Taylor-Greene shooting a Precision Rifle Series stage, or a United States Practical Shooting Association match, or even an International Defensive Pistol Association match.

That's why Boebert wears a Comp-tac competition holster inside her own restaurant with no retention or any provision for having her gun snatched from her, or even falling out of the holster... yet you never see her shooting any competitive matches.

That's why you never see any of them training, or running drills, or practicing with dry-fire, or, like, doing twenty pushups then trying to operate a carbine. That's why Madison Cawthorn punches trees (lol) and takes pictures of himself with a revolver in a chest holster, but never talks about practicing or actually training how to use the damn thing.

They aren't shooters. They are poseurs.

It's easier to see than it is to explain.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 September 2021 21:40 (two years ago) link

My dad wanted to get a .50BMG single shot (that was still about $2k) but the only place I could find for him to shoot it was a range two hours away that had ~three miles of backstop beyond the ~2500 yard range. Even he recognized how dumb that would have been.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 19 September 2021 21:52 (two years ago) link

if there's any one rule that everyone forgets, it's #4.
4. Always be aware of what is behind your target

Too true. And as someone who spends time in places where I might be near a lout shooting guns at 'targets' I've had to yell CEASE FIRING!! at idiots who thought it didn't matter if they missed or shot entirely through their target, because all that was out there were trees.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Sunday, 19 September 2021 21:54 (two years ago) link

great bit of commentary

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 19 September 2021 23:07 (two years ago) link

When I saw the recoil on that thing I hoped that it left a massive deep bone bruise that incapacitated her shoulder for at least several days afterward. Would serve her right.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Sunday, 19 September 2021 23:41 (two years ago) link

I was hoping it malfunctioned and blew her to smithereens, same as I wish that Cawthorn kid would have died in that car accident. Fuck them.

I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Monday, 20 September 2021 15:25 (two years ago) link

they undoubtedly suck but the universe would have produced someone like them anyway

global tetrahedron, Monday, 20 September 2021 15:32 (two years ago) link

that's ok they can keep dying

you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 September 2021 15:41 (two years ago) link

Awful. And sending people back to Haiti right now is just unconscionable.

The US immigration enforcement arms are currently filled with and run by fascist goons. It would be much simpler to abolish them and start over than to weed out the white supremacists.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Monday, 20 September 2021 17:42 (two years ago) link

^ ^ ^

I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Monday, 20 September 2021 18:23 (two years ago) link

American government is currently filled with and run by fascist goons. It would be much simpler to abolish them and start over than to weed out the white supremacists.

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 September 2021 18:34 (two years ago) link

am i doing trenchant properly here?

When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 September 2021 18:34 (two years ago) link

The formalism is correct, but the substance isn't. DC is the government's company town, filled with government workers, and it is hardly known for being a fascist stronghold.

it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Monday, 20 September 2021 18:56 (two years ago) link

👀 Spotted walking out of Senate side just now: Krysten Sinema and Josh Gottheimer, per source.

— Sarah Ferris (@sarahnferris) September 21, 2021

Hot Topic X Men’s Wearhouse collab

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 21:30 (two years ago) link

Capitol defendant nabbed by Snapchat Maps. pic.twitter.com/hwgKUjFdaz

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) September 20, 2021

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 21 September 2021 23:14 (two years ago) link

More scenes from the Texas Haiti camp. pic.twitter.com/5FeNbFCyBL

— Eoin Higgins (@EoinHiggins_) September 21, 2021

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 00:07 (two years ago) link

This is good stuff

One of the most devastating campaign ads and hits on a Republican I have ever seen pic.twitter.com/PcMoU5h2RE

— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) September 22, 2021

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 04:52 (two years ago) link

makes sense to me, which i 100% believe (with 99% confidence) means that it will have absolutely no effect on anyone who might change their vote

typo punishment #4: it feels better to me to be like there, this (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 04:56 (two years ago) link

It’s mark meadows old district. There aren’t enough non-republicans for the persuadable people to matter.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 05:03 (two years ago) link

is it weird to me that a "devastating hit" sounds more like just recounting what actually happened? that didn't even hit that hard, madison cawthorn is much more of a conniving cynical asshole than the ad makes him out to be

typo punishment #4: it feels better to me to be like there, this (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 05:03 (two years ago) link

"devastating hit" isn't what the ad is about, that's Adam Parkhomenko trolling for retweets

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 05:08 (two years ago) link

shame on you Adam Parkhomenko @AdamParkhomenko!

sincerely, though, i do wonder who it convinces. i mean, seems great to me, it really does. and as i've argued in the past, even if it doesn't convince anyone new, it's good to occasionally send out signals of real life and actual facts and things that happened, just to remind others that see it that others see it too.

typo punishment #4: it feels better to me to be like there, this (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 05:12 (two years ago) link

Jasmine Beech-Ferrara: "Violent extremism has no place in western North Carolina. It isn't who we are."

People who have studied history: "Um, hate to break it to you, but..."

Richard Marxist (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 13:04 (two years ago) link

I wonder why the ad showed MC talking about bloodshed and then cut to a tv anchor reporting what we just heard him say

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 14:17 (two years ago) link

probably doesn't mean anything for his district but it's encouraging to see dem house candidates not shy away from the fact that many (most) (all but like 4) republican congresspeople are dangerous extremists

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 14:53 (two years ago) link

BREAKING: Biden admin seeks contractor to run migrant detention facility at Gitmo, guards who speak Creole.

With @KenDilanianNBC. https://t.co/LKiIHL6xm3

— Jacob Soboroff (@jacobsoboroff) September 22, 2021

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 22 September 2021 22:03 (two years ago) link

Sen. Jon Tester (D-MT) tells it like it is. “We always do this fucking dance,” Tester told Politico. “I don’t know if people are going to put their sane minds on and do what needs to be done, or shut it down. This is just a ridiculous exercise. I can’t even compare it to anything I do on the farm that’s this stupid.”

typo hell #5: maybe you get an idea of what went into, or (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 September 2021 00:52 (two years ago) link


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