What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

Applying the logic of consumer marketing to politics doesn’t really work. All publicity is good publicity might work when you need to build market share for your energy drink but you’re not building a tax the rich brand.

ie “ It isn't like the vast majority of people are going around on a regular basis thinking about a wealth tax” - and no more people are thinking about it today than before the Met. The people who noticed and cared were already on her side already or already adamantly opposed.

right she's one of the very few politicians you really should be giving the benefit of the doubt to

― frogbs, Tuesday, 14 September 2021 17:31 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Its actually the doubt of the benefit here iirc

Applying the logic of consumer marketing to politics doesn’t really work. All publicity is good publicity might work when you need to build market share for your energy drink but you’re not building a tax the rich brand.

ie “ It isn't like the vast majority of people are going around on a regular basis thinking about a wealth tax” - and no more people are thinking about it today than before the Met. The people who noticed and cared were already on her side already or already adamantly opposed.

This is true. Ideas are entirely unmarketable; no one can be made aware of something they don't already know, or have their mind changed. That's why turnout never goes up from one election to the next, and why incumbents never, ever lose. Because it's impossible to change people's minds or get them to absorb new information when it comes to politics.

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Bart: Oh, man, is it hot in here. I'd better take off my sweater.
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idk I kinda thought all the "build the wall" and "Benghazi" and "critical race theory" shit was proof positive that repetitive, simple messaging does in fact work

It definitely works and the left is much worse at it

It definitely works and the left is much worse at it

― Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Tuesday, September 14, 2021 12:04 PM (forty-two seconds ago)

silby otm

Yep, silby def otm.

It doesn’t work that well in a vacuum (Benghazi and the wall played to an existing base, CRT is a continuation of 50 years of textbook fights backed with the wealth of right-wing billionaires; “M4A” has been successful relatively speaking for the left and everyone who’s been pounding that line for years fell in step to vote for the guy who rejects it out of hand) but the Gala dress isn’t that anyway.

If you got every celebrity to wear ‘tax the rich’ maybe you’re talking.

The idea that this is raising consciousness demands that we believe there’s a mass of people who are simultaneously interested in AOC and unaware of an existing desire to ‘tax the rich.’

The idea that this is raising consciousness demands that we believe there’s a mass of people who are simultaneously interested in AOC and unaware of an existing desire to ‘tax the rich.’

Not necessarily, I gotta imagine there is a not insignificant percentage of people who don't give a shit about AOC but like scrolling through pictures of famous people in crazy dresses and see the message. Again, I think the needle movement is going to be super minimal, if at all.

If AOC looks cool in a cool place and she has a lefty slogan on the dress and it becomes a somewhat cooler thing to say as a result then that is probably worth a lot more than it is being given credence here because a sizeable percentage of ppl who care what is cool don't actually and never will actually read an entire article about any of this stuff

If AOC looks cool in a cool place and she has a lefty slogan on the dress and it becomes a somewhat cooler thing to say as a result then that is probably worth a lot more than it is being given credence here because a sizeable percentage of ppl who care what is cool don't actually and never will actually read an entire article about any of this stuff

― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Tuesday, September 14, 2021 12:24 PM (0 seconds ago)

this too is otm

And seriously -- it isn't like we are talking about a campaign that involved hundreds of thousands of dollars in ad buys and expensive consultants and focus grouped logos -- she got a dress, and wore it to an event. In terms of "impressions" and "engagement" -- idk, I think people who are marketing professionals would think this was good.

Agree

I feel like the people pooh-poohing this are the spiritual equivalent of people who automatically shit on bands when they sign to a major.

Wearing a DESTROY SONY RECORDS shirt on stage at the Sony Records label showcase would probably invite some commentary.

It doesn’t work that well in a vacuum (Benghazi and the wall played to an existing base, CRT is a continuation of 50 years of textbook fights backed with the wealth of right-wing billionaires; “M4A” has been successful relatively speaking for the left and everyone who’s been pounding that line for years fell in step to vote for the guy who rejects it out of hand) but the Gala dress isn’t that anyway.

so because biden won the election, everyone who talked about m4a was wasting their time and should not talk about it any more?

If you got every celebrity to wear ‘tax the rich’ maybe you’re talking.

is there any intermediate number of celebrities between 1 and every celebrity wearing a dress that says "tax the rich" where it has an effect?

No, I'm responding to the statement that "proof positive that repetitive, simple messaging does in fact work." We're further away from M4A than we were in 2016 so the left's pithiest, simplest messaging campaign has not exactly made an impact. In any case, ​"tax the rich" is a lousy, vague slogan if you were trying to turn it into messaging - Occupy did it better a decade ago but "we are the 99%" didn't seem to make much of an impact either.

is there any intermediate number of celebrities between 1 and every celebrity wearing a dress that says "tax the rich" where it has an effect?

For the one-off Met Gala? Probably not, no. Organizing a mass of famous people to promote a message would maybe get something into the ether.

idk if justin and hailey bieber really want to tax the rich

Literally no one will ever talk about this again three days from now

I'm quite happy with historical movements that decided that liquidating the rich was a far more effective action for fair wealth redistribution than melts turning up at high society events donning slogans that aren't even remotely radical. Taxing the rich isn't even a demand, it's the bare minimum. Anyway i'll stfu because I'm not American.

my understanding of "melt" is entirely based on the context of its use on ILE, but the idea that AOC is one seems.... very wrong?

^ ^ booming post imho

I meant Calzino's, btw

I'm responding to the statement that "proof positive that repetitive, simple messaging does in fact work."

I died right here lads

sigh, for a few brief seconds i lived in a world where my post was deemed booming

Now you just sit back and smoke a Camel Straight and ride your own melt.

kinda wanna a tuna melt rn tbh

you’re not building a tax the rich brand.

except she is and it rules? she is literally the coolest leftie politician in the world, she is better at this stuff than all of us combined x 10000 so the idea that you are giving her pointers on moving the overton window is, how you say, what is zee word i am looking for, booshit mang

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This thread's gone cold
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i like aoc and all but coolest left politician in the world is a bit much

"coolest politician" is a bit much unless you mean LBJ and his schlong.

Okay well wherever you'd rank her exactly my point stands. Dumping on her for attending the Met gala... what kind of purity test does she need to pass for approval?? If she'd gone in a normal dress no doubt we'd have heard 'Wake me up when AOC writes 'Tax The Rich' on the back of her gala dress... YAWN'

Like I'm going to say at this point, even if she had gone to the Met gala merely to 'hang out with celebrities' (?!) I think she's..... earned it??

i see we got hot takes here
have we ever considered
not having them

she is a celebrity herself

Dumping on her for attending the Met gala.

Which I didn’t do. You missed that, I guess?

I said the dress was dumb. She’s cool and has done good work and will hopefully do more good work. That doesn’t mean her every action is a brilliant political coup or that she can’t wear a cringey dress to a fancy rich people party. I think she should have just gone and had fun and gotten a photo doing shots with Frank Ocean.

Frank Ocean is cool?

if she were really cool, she would’ve gone with frank to the us open final in a dress that read “get the goddamn vax, novak”

it must suck to know that even when you're just fucking around and having a good time, people are gonna treat you like a source of entertainment and twitter takes. on the other hand, that seems like a nice way to kill a night in the most surreal way possible. but yeah, i really don't care about the gala or, frankly, most of the met's fashion exhibits.

AOC seems pretty cool as far as anyone whose job it is to maintain and police policy goes

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I enjoyed Tracer Hand's comedy posts just above!

not so much comedic, just accurate

I would submit that, in our specific context of the United States in AD 2021, that taxing rich is a quite radical idea for policy makers (if not for the general public, if polls are correct). The context also including that through decades of deliberate government policy, it’s the rest of us non rich schlubs who actually pay the taxes.

Who is the coolest pol?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i45Y4Hf_so8

Xxxp Frank Ocean is TOTALLY cool