Chances of him writing a late career masterpiece? Against all odds
― calstars, Sunday, 12 September 2021 19:19 (two years ago) link
But that's the chance he had to take
― "the fancy things" being his nads, etc (stevie), Sunday, 12 September 2021 19:29 (two years ago) link
That song is the apex of "you dumped me but I killed myself, welcome to a life of guilt" songcraft. He's a dark little psycho on the quiet, is Phil. Fuck In The Air Tonight, that's his moment of peak evil.
― "the fancy things" being his nads, etc (stevie), Sunday, 12 September 2021 19:30 (two years ago) link
I fucking love it, as well. There's a masterful self-pity at play in Phil's best work, and when he abandoned it he became as anodyne as his critics always claim.
― "the fancy things" being his nads, etc (stevie), Sunday, 12 September 2021 19:36 (two years ago) link
I cringe every time I see a ‘70s or ‘80s clip of him playing. His posture is atrocious, which is damaging enough during the 90 minutes that he’s on stage, but where it really fucks things up is in the studio. It doesn’t matter how much time is spent actually playing; the hours of between-take discussions and adjustments mean hours of sitting slouchily at his kit waiting to play. Levon Helm and Charlie Watts apparently made adjustments in their posture — compare ‘70s footage to ‘00s — and Larry Mullen had back surgery in 1996. Did Phil just never get the memo? Or did he think he didn’t need to worry about it?
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 12 September 2021 19:59 (two years ago) link
He was busy with larger personal problems
― calstars, Sunday, 12 September 2021 20:04 (two years ago) link
He's a dark little psycho on the quiet, is Phil.
He can wipe off that grin. We know where he's been.
― Richard Marxist (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 12 September 2021 20:16 (two years ago) link
If Australian folk band The Seekers count, they were formed in 1962 and their classic lineup is all still around.
― aphoristical, Sunday, 12 September 2021 21:26 (two years ago) link
You can tell everyone he’s a darn disgrace, drag his name all over the place, he don't care anymore.
― Alba, Sunday, 12 September 2021 22:22 (two years ago) link
I've never heard anything particularly negative about Phil Collins the person, do people have problems with him?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 12 September 2021 22:24 (two years ago) link
Alamo historians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zY3sBIY0tls
― Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 12 September 2021 22:46 (two years ago) link
In the UK there's long been an urban myth that he told The Sun he'd leave the UK if Labour came to power in 1997. He divorced a wife via fax.
― "the fancy things" being his nads, etc (stevie), Monday, 13 September 2021 08:10 (two years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/2018/dec/10/aretha-phil-collins-faxes-famous-divorce-notice
Collins says the persistent rumour that he asked his second wife for a divorce by fax damaged his public persona and was a factor in his decision to retire from music. He insists that it is baseless – although he did fax his wife about their impending divorce. “I was in Frankfurt and sent her a fax because the phone kept going down,” he said in 2016. “I was arranging time to see the kids and referenced the fact that [the marriage] was over, but it was translated as me finishing our relationship by fax.”
― john landis as man being smashed into window (uncredited) (Matt #2), Monday, 13 September 2021 08:32 (two years ago) link
Sounds like ex-wife's lawyer angling for an advantage in divorce proceedings tbh.
― john landis as man being smashed into window (uncredited) (Matt #2), Monday, 13 September 2021 08:33 (two years ago) link
In the UK there's long been an urban myth that he told The Sun he'd leave the UK if Labour came to power in 1997.
according to the bbc he did: https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-32590242
― ledge, Monday, 13 September 2021 08:35 (two years ago) link
I don't think the BBC have that right - Phil moved to Switzerland in 1996.
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if Phil had said he'd leave the UK if Labour came into power, but he's subsequently denied it, and I've never seen anyone actually come up with the Sun story where he said that, which makes me skeptical.
― "the fancy things" being his nads, etc (stevie), Monday, 13 September 2021 08:43 (two years ago) link
Collins’ biggest regret (apart from covering the sappy Mindbenders hit A Groovy Kind of Love) is talking to the Sun about politics. “Anything!” he clarifies. “I regret talking to the Sun about anything.” On the day before the 1992 general election, Bizarre columnist Piers Morgan quoted Collins as saying: “If they put up taxes, I’d consider going abroad.” This single line, mutated via Chinese whispers into a cast-iron vow to emigrate if Labour won, proved disastrous. “I remember getting letters from nurses saying, ‘That’s it, I’m not buying any more of your records,’” he says glumly. “I didn’t mean it the way it came out.”Did he ever vote Conservative?“I didn’t vote, actually. And that’s not something I’m proud of. I was just so busy that I rarely was here.”
Did he ever vote Conservative?
“I didn’t vote, actually. And that’s not something I’m proud of. I was just so busy that I rarely was here.”
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 September 2021 14:11 (two years ago) link
There's always been stuff about him supposedly moving to Switzerland to avoid taxes, but his (then) wife was literally Swiss. He said at the time, "Her father was dying of cancer, and her grandmother and grandfather were dying from cancer. So I wasn't going to pull her away from them. So that's why I live here. And the only reason I still live here is because my sons are here." Also, even if true, Collins would only be one in a long line of rich Brit rock stars leaving the country over taxes.
Labour supporter Noel Gallagher was quoted: "Vote Labour. If you don't and the Tories get in, Phil Collins is threatening to come back and live here. And let's face it, none of us want that." However, Collins has since stated that although he did once claim many years earlier that he might leave Britain if most of his income was taken in tax, which was Labour Party policy at that time for top earners, he has never been a Conservative Party supporter and he left Britain for Switzerland in 1994 purely because he started a relationship with a woman who lived there. He said of Gallagher: "I don't care if he likes my music or not. I do care if he starts telling people I'm a wanker because of my politics. It's an opinion based on an old, misunderstood quote.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 September 2021 14:20 (two years ago) link
pretty sure the Stones didn't live in France just for the baguettes
― Richard Marxist (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 13 September 2021 14:56 (two years ago) link
when pressedf urther Collins merely replied "Fuck You Fuck Me"
― you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 September 2021 15:17 (two years ago) link
...the "gangsta" way he dealt with his wife's affair with his decorator (ie, an ultra-spiteful appearance on TOTP with a tin of paint on the piano).
I went looking for this (from 1981) and found that he repeated this performance, including the paint can, on a special edition of TOTP in 1989.
― Kim Kimberly, Monday, 13 September 2021 15:22 (two years ago) link
did Phil Collins kill someone?
y/n
― you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 September 2021 18:10 (two years ago) link
If not him, who dunnit?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 September 2021 18:16 (two years ago) link
He's got a name, he's got a number, he's got a line on you
― "the fancy things" being his nads, etc (stevie), Monday, 13 September 2021 18:17 (two years ago) link
he said he saw a gorilla running from the scene of the crime.
i bellowed loudly WOT GORILLA?
― you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 September 2021 18:25 (two years ago) link
You misspelled cryme
― Richard Marxist (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 13 September 2021 18:55 (two years ago) link
"Chinese whispers"?
― think “Gypsy-Pixie” and misspelled. (We are a white family.) (forksclovetofu), Monday, 13 September 2021 18:56 (two years ago) link
I think he was talking about the Cure EP.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 September 2021 19:00 (two years ago) link
It's what Americans call "telephone" or "whisper down the lane," i.e., a message getting diluted/distorted by repetition, or a self-replicating (ahem) misunderstanding
― Richard Marxist (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 13 September 2021 19:23 (two years ago) link
Please don’t tape drum sticks to Phil Collins hands, it’s not funny.― Alba, Sunday, September 12, 2021
― Alba, Sunday, September 12, 2021
Not infrequently, the funniest thing I hear all day is on ILM. Today it was this.
― enochroot, Monday, 13 September 2021 19:51 (two years ago) link
Yeah, bit surprised the Guardian was using that phrase as late as 2016.
xpost!
― Alba, Monday, 13 September 2021 19:52 (two years ago) link
Q: What did Phil Collins say when Mike Rutherford was offering the cocaine around at the reunion rehearsals?A: I'll 'ave plenty! (Aisle of Plenty)
― john landis as man being smashed into window (uncredited) (Matt #2), Monday, 13 September 2021 20:17 (two years ago) link
that must be what happened on the way to Heaven
― you had me at "giallo" (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 September 2021 20:23 (two years ago) link
he knows what he likes (in your wardrobe)
― "the fancy things" being his nads, etc (stevie), Monday, 13 September 2021 20:33 (two years ago) link
Nothing like being in a hardware store in the afternoon with “in the air tonight” playing
― calstars, Saturday, 18 June 2022 12:26 (one year ago) link
I can buy a trowel in this store todayoh lord
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 18 June 2022 12:28 (one year ago) link
If you told me you were leakingI would not lend a wrench
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Saturday, 18 June 2022 13:40 (one year ago) link
She calls out to the man in the store"Sir, can you help me?My toilet's old and it's starting to leakIs there something you can sell me?"
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 June 2022 13:49 (one year ago) link
They seem to have an acetylene torch yeah
― Nutellanor Roosevelt (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 18 June 2022 21:15 (one year ago) link
Lol
― calstars, Saturday, 18 June 2022 21:55 (one year ago) link
I still hear the LP version of "In the Air Tonight" at least on a weekly basis, on a whole range of stations, but yesterday was the first time I've *ever* noticed that what is I guess the single version, or maybe the video version, has extra drums throughout!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxV4KipHXFE
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 July 2022 18:58 (one year ago) link
Very cool. Sounds like maybe some extra guitar and backing vox on the 2nd verse / chorus too The “….well I REMEMBA” part gets me every time.
― calstars, Saturday, 9 July 2022 19:46 (one year ago) link
As I move further into my 40s I definitely find myself mumbling “I don’t care anymore” pretty frequently
― Heez, Saturday, 9 July 2022 19:50 (one year ago) link
Try yelling it.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 July 2022 19:58 (one year ago) link
According to the internet - the internet! - the single mix has extra drums because Ahmet Ertegun thought people would get bored waiting for the drums to come in. So he said to Phil Collins "add more drums" and Phil Collins said "yes" and Ahmet Ertegun said "that sounds good" and Phil Collins said "yes" and then the aeroplane crashed into the sea and it was a shark and I used the teeth to make six crowns.
I grew up with the single version so I find the album version unusual. The drum machine was a Roland CR-78, which was all over John Foxx's Metamatic. The pattern is at about 04:50 (it had preset patterns, but there was scope for variation):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2-KTcMycoE
Collins strikes me as a man who would be held in higher regard if he had never said anything ever. If he had just shut up at some point in the late 1970s and never said anything. He'd still be held in low regard because of "Groovy Kind of Love" and Live Aid and Buster, but not as low.
― Ashley Pomeroy, Saturday, 9 July 2022 20:10 (one year ago) link
What’s up with these covers with Phil looking older ? Am I listening to the original albums? E.g.https://i.imgur.com/INUQNmv.png
― calstars, Monday, 23 January 2023 03:15 (one year ago) link
this was after Nicky Santoro put his head in a vice
― fentanyl young (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 January 2023 03:19 (one year ago) link
When they were reissued a coupla years back he reshot all the sleeves as he is now. It's literally an inexplicable move.
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Monday, 23 January 2023 08:58 (one year ago) link
kinda rocks imo
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 23 January 2023 10:35 (one year ago) link
As a concept, definitely. The images themselves always stop me in my tracks though.
Hilarious if other artists picked up the baton. Not sure Sly could pull off the Fresh leap now tbh...
― his cartoon heart expands, then he relaxes by smoking crack (stevie), Monday, 23 January 2023 11:41 (one year ago) link