Matrix 2 & 3 struck me as the Wachowskis not really understanding what folks loved about the first one and doubling down on all the wrong bits
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:29 (two years ago) link
See also: Lucas and his prequels, sad proof that maybe an unlimited budget and full creative control are not always a good thing. (Cameron lifts his head in the editing bay, alert, chuckles to himself, then gets back to work on Avatar 5.)
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:49 (two years ago) link
Also: the Peter Jackson of the LOTR films vs the Peter Jackson of the Hobbit films. (Darragh proceeds to complain about how they're all like that, etc.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link
Also Ridley Scott & Prometheus etc - are there actually any examples where unlimited budget and creative control turn out well?
― ledge, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:04 (two years ago) link
i literally can't have this convo with any of you. ok the hobbit movies are not great i assume i have never seen any of them. alien covenant is one of my favorite movies of the last decade and prometheus is dumb and gorgeous
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:06 (two years ago) link
Fully agreed with Brad on Prometheus. (And yes, trust me on the Hobbit movies.)
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:13 (two years ago) link
Mad Max: Fury Road?
― MarkoP, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:38 (two years ago) link
Watched the first Hobbit movie and that was enough for me, but I just finished reading it with my son for the first time and now he really wants to see them all.... ugh (we've already watched all the LOTR ones)
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:40 (two years ago) link
Anyway some SF specificities
https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/matrix-resurrections-trailer-san-francisco-filming-16446150.php
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link
And a full trailer breakdown if you want it
https://gizmodo.com/breaking-down-the-matrix-resurrections-head-trip-of-a-f-1847639698
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:45 (two years ago) link
Did anybody recognize who’s doing the score for the film?
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:39 (two years ago) link
Good sequels and expansive funding;
Fury RoadPsychonauts 2Maybe some Tarantino thing?Hideo Kojima lolz option
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:40 (two years ago) link
The basic problem with the idea of making/remaking/soft rebooting The Matrix right now is that we already all know what the Matrix isSo my guess/gamble is that it is no longer what we think it was, it is something severely worse— qntm (@qntm) September 8, 2021
― lukas, Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:45 (two years ago) link
man i hope so
― lukas, Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:46 (two years ago) link
how does a Matrix movie work in 2021? I'm supposed to be scared of living in a fake reality, trapped forever in 1999? Shit frost my tips and log me in— Kenny Keil (@kennykeil) September 7, 2021
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:48 (two years ago) link
I’m curious how much they’ll play Keanu as Zen/Jedi Master given his age and vibe. Similar to how he can’t really play Ted “Theodor” Logan anymore, I don’t think he can do Neo ‘99 either.
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:54 (two years ago) link
even when the movie came out "the Matrix doesn't seem so bad" was a standard joke response, the biggest downside was having to listen to Rob Zombie at the club
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 September 2021 21:59 (two years ago) link
“the matrix doesn’t seem so bad” - straight people
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:21 (two years ago) link
Eh. tons of straight people embraced the "red pill" idea. but that's only because they fantasized themselves as Neo and they wanted to learn kung fu in twelve seconds and be able to fly like superman.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:35 (two years ago) link
every straight dude I knew loved the original matrix, I don't think I've ever met anyone who is really into the sequels
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 September 2021 22:58 (two years ago) link
they received such a bad reception that I didn't even end up seeing either of them
I'm not convinced yet, come on we've all been burnt by many trailers in the past (mute white rabbit from that trailer and meh imh). Will wait and see.
― Sorry, but that is how I feel (Ste)
I'm saying it'll be a great film, but it is a great trailer.
― chap, Friday, 10 September 2021 11:22 (two years ago) link
this is surely going to deliberately subvert the soft-reboot pitch of this trailer, right? no idea if they'll pull it off well but i expect it will be interesting and gorgeous at the very least
― ufo, Friday, 10 September 2021 11:39 (two years ago) link
people seem to be expecting some mgs2-esque meta take on the reboot-sequel thing though so obviously the question is if they can subvert that somehow...
― ufo, Friday, 10 September 2021 11:42 (two years ago) link
Think it's a bad trailer (nothing that exciting on show - just confirmation that most of the things you'd expect to be there are present) but I then think most trailers for these kinds of films are bad (deliberately showing and telling you as little as possible). It really doesn't offer anything that intriguing though does it - as in beyond the questions that would already have arose from the fact that it's being made at all ? Not sure what they can do to match the visual and technical novelty of the first trilogy though.
― nashwan, Friday, 10 September 2021 11:51 (two years ago) link
deliberately showing and telling you as little as possible is good not bad ftr.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 10 September 2021 12:58 (two years ago) link
That's for sure. I was impressed by how little the Shang-Chi trailer (for example) gave away of what's actually in the movie. But really, this is the fourth Matrix movie. From color scheme to time-warp kicking, people generally know what they're going to get on that front. As for the story, it's surely going to be some convoluted "do you see!?" would-be trip, and I don't know how they would shoehorn that into a trailer, anyway.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 September 2021 13:03 (two years ago) link
So we all agree that trailers are pointless should be abolished cool
― nashwan, Friday, 10 September 2021 13:11 (two years ago) link
I think some trailers are super cool and add to the intrigue/excitement (the creepy trailer for "Lamb," for example, though that one admittedly earned the movie a "nope" from my wife). And then you get stuff like the recent "Suicide Squad" trailer, which provided some pretty sneaky misdirection.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 September 2021 13:29 (two years ago) link
I'm not very enthused about this, but if they take the Universal Soldier approach of effectively rebooting and pretending the second and third movies don't exist, it could be OK.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 10 September 2021 13:56 (two years ago) link
pretending the second and third movies don't exist has long been the best option for everyone
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Friday, 10 September 2021 17:24 (two years ago) link
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish),
juno reactor tweeted this earlier :
"Thank you & I Love the support. Lana has made a great choice in Thomas Tykwer and co-composers, nothing stays the same, excited to see the new film!"
― mark e, Friday, 10 September 2021 18:31 (two years ago) link
I tend not to watch trailers before seeing a movie as they often contain mild (and sometimes not so mild) spoilers but their one job (duh!) is to make people want to see the film, not necessarily convey what the film's about.
It seems that a lot of people walked out of The Green Knight as the trailer suggests you're in for some sword & sorcery action type shit and the reality is obviously nothing of the sort
― groovypanda, Monday, 13 September 2021 09:54 (two years ago) link
idk, hatred for the matrix sequels seems like one of the worst hangover opinions from the early '00s
skipped everything after this post, otm
the second and third were bad, the first was good, i will watch the new one as soon as i am able
― "HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 September 2021 09:57 (two years ago) link
anyone who walked out of green knight slipped on a banana peel on their way out
― "HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 September 2021 09:58 (two years ago) link
to hell with this non-action movie that has a ton of action, i'm gonna go get some fruit instead, whooaaaa
I rewatched most of Reloaded/Revolutions and imo Reloaded is a great action set piece, subverts some of the things people assumed about the movie’s world after the first one, and ends on a cliffhanger that’s unsettling in how it fundamentally changes the conceit even further
Revolutions has some amazing bits, but suffers from too much Zion content. I get exactly what the Wachowskis were going for, but too much of the audience didn’t want an earthy, very human third setting between machine hellscape and VR dystopia
I will admit that I skipped a bunch of Zion scenes and rewatched all three over the weekend
― mh, Monday, 13 September 2021 21:52 (two years ago) link
Jessica Henwick looks cool af in this trailer
― mh, Monday, 13 September 2021 21:53 (two years ago) link
revolutions very tenderly pays off a bunch of character stuff initiated in reloaded and for that i always feel so emotional watching it that i can't really focus on the things that are supposedly bad about it. zion rules. the ultimate neo/smith fight is just 360 degree punching in digital rain and it's the best shit ever
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 13 September 2021 22:03 (two years ago) link
ugh i'm gonna end up watching all of these again
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 13 September 2021 22:32 (two years ago) link
hello i am rewatching all of these and coming to terms with the fact that i still love this trilogy truly madly deeply in a non ironic nerdy way
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 October 2021 06:44 (two years ago) link
and i still love the philosophical gobbledygook underpinnings like i am very linus w his blue blanket about that aspect <3
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 18 October 2021 06:49 (two years ago) link
I watched the sequels for the first time ever recently. didn't love the third, although I liked the ending and the Neo and trinity stuff. just find the big battle for Zion a bit of a slog, as well as the final smith fight. but the second one was very decent I thought
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Monday, 18 October 2021 17:45 (two years ago) link
I suppose the final smith fight just felt a little underwhelming. I liked the smith fight in the second movie in the courtyard a lot more
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Monday, 18 October 2021 17:47 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgYs_NDyaLs
this is gonna whip ass (i hope i hope i hope)
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 2 December 2021 00:31 (two years ago) link
change change change change...
change is the only constant...constant...constant...change change change change
― skull. kneel. kneel. kneel. kneel. (Karl Malone), Thursday, 2 December 2021 00:37 (two years ago) link
Keanu was spotted eating ice cream alone during the filming:
https://dlisted.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/keanu-ice-cream-1.jpg
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 2 December 2021 00:47 (two years ago) link
i rewatched reloaded and revolutions and they are the best movies ever
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 6 December 2021 12:46 (two years ago) link
this is my first time watching them while in a loving and committed relationship and the neo/trinity stuff shook me to my core
― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 6 December 2021 17:27 (two years ago) link
i had no idea this was coming out until this morning, when i saw a poster on the Tube for it
eat that, online advertisers!
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 6 December 2021 17:30 (two years ago) link