Enter the Matrix

thousand agent smiths scene looks like a ps2 cut scene on our modern quadrillion pixel televisions but caring about this seems pointless to me

also what doesn't make sense about it???? idk, hatred for the matrix sequels seems like one of the worst hangover opinions from the early '00s

I'll come back to you when I rewatch them ahead of this one coming out - it's been a while and I remember being massively underwhelmed more than the details.

I really liked the second one a lot (some of the best action sequences I've seen), strongly disliked the third one (boring action sequences). I don't really care too much if these kinds of movies make sense or not, just give me a couple of weird wtf moments.

Iirc it was the *lack* of action that did us in with number 2. At least for the half (1/3rd?) we watched. Up to the big Agent Smith(s) fight, whenever that part arrives. She was just bored and I couldn't handle the acting or directing or writing or most of all the enervating portent. But whatevs, different strokes!

My memory of 2 & 3 is of interminable, low-stakes fights like playing Doom on God Mode.

I just went back to check, and between the end of the intro fight and the Agents Smith fight in the second film there is I think a 45 minute break, and those minutes are super silly and absolutely stultifying. The rave, the inexplicably stilted robo acting, the grandiosity. That's what did us in.

Great trailer imo - it took me from indifferent to pretty excited in under three minutes.

I'm not convinced yet, come on we've all been burnt by many trailers in the past (mute white rabbit from that trailer and meh imh). Will wait and see.

Matrix 2 & 3 struck me as the Wachowskis not really understanding what folks loved about the first one and doubling down on all the wrong bits

See also: Lucas and his prequels, sad proof that maybe an unlimited budget and full creative control are not always a good thing. (Cameron lifts his head in the editing bay, alert, chuckles to himself, then gets back to work on Avatar 5.)

Also: the Peter Jackson of the LOTR films vs the Peter Jackson of the Hobbit films. (Darragh proceeds to complain about how they're all like that, etc.)

Also Ridley Scott & Prometheus etc - are there actually any examples where unlimited budget and creative control turn out well?

i literally can't have this convo with any of you. ok the hobbit movies are not great i assume i have never seen any of them. alien covenant is one of my favorite movies of the last decade and prometheus is dumb and gorgeous

Fully agreed with Brad on Prometheus. (And yes, trust me on the Hobbit movies.)

Also Ridley Scott & Prometheus etc - are there actually any examples where unlimited budget and creative control turn out well?

Mad Max: Fury Road?

Watched the first Hobbit movie and that was enough for me, but I just finished reading it with my son for the first time and now he really wants to see them all.... ugh (we've already watched all the LOTR ones)

Anyway some SF specificities

https://www.sfgate.com/sf-culture/article/matrix-resurrections-trailer-san-francisco-filming-16446150.php

And a full trailer breakdown if you want it

https://gizmodo.com/breaking-down-the-matrix-resurrections-head-trip-of-a-f-1847639698

Did anybody recognize who’s doing the score for the film?

Good sequels and expansive funding;

Fury Road
Psychonauts 2
Maybe some Tarantino thing?
Hideo Kojima lolz option

The basic problem with the idea of making/remaking/soft rebooting The Matrix right now is that we already all know what the Matrix is

So my guess/gamble is that it is no longer what we think it was, it is something severely worse

— qntm (@qntm) September 8, 2021

man i hope so

how does a Matrix movie work in 2021? I'm supposed to be scared of living in a fake reality, trapped forever in 1999? Shit frost my tips and log me in

— Kenny Keil (@kennykeil) September 7, 2021

I’m curious how much they’ll play Keanu as Zen/Jedi Master given his age and vibe. Similar to how he can’t really play Ted “Theodor” Logan anymore, I don’t think he can do Neo ‘99 either.

even when the movie came out "the Matrix doesn't seem so bad" was a standard joke response, the biggest downside was having to listen to Rob Zombie at the club

“the matrix doesn’t seem so bad” - straight people

“the matrix doesn’t seem so bad” - straight people

Eh. tons of straight people embraced the "red pill" idea. but that's only because they fantasized themselves as Neo and they wanted to learn kung fu in twelve seconds and be able to fly like superman.

every straight dude I knew loved the original matrix, I don't think I've ever met anyone who is really into the sequels

they received such a bad reception that I didn't even end up seeing either of them

I'm not convinced yet, come on we've all been burnt by many trailers in the past (mute white rabbit from that trailer and meh imh). Will wait and see.

― Sorry, but that is how I feel (Ste)

I'm saying it'll be a great film, but it is a great trailer.

this is surely going to deliberately subvert the soft-reboot pitch of this trailer, right? no idea if they'll pull it off well but i expect it will be interesting and gorgeous at the very least

people seem to be expecting some mgs2-esque meta take on the reboot-sequel thing though so obviously the question is if they can subvert that somehow...

Think it's a bad trailer (nothing that exciting on show - just confirmation that most of the things you'd expect to be there are present) but I then think most trailers for these kinds of films are bad (deliberately showing and telling you as little as possible). It really doesn't offer anything that intriguing though does it - as in beyond the questions that would already have arose from the fact that it's being made at all ? Not sure what they can do to match the visual and technical novelty of the first trilogy though.

deliberately showing and telling you as little as possible is good not bad ftr.

That's for sure. I was impressed by how little the Shang-Chi trailer (for example) gave away of what's actually in the movie. But really, this is the fourth Matrix movie. From color scheme to time-warp kicking, people generally know what they're going to get on that front. As for the story, it's surely going to be some convoluted "do you see!?" would-be trip, and I don't know how they would shoehorn that into a trailer, anyway.

So we all agree that trailers are pointless should be abolished cool

I think some trailers are super cool and add to the intrigue/excitement (the creepy trailer for "Lamb," for example, though that one admittedly earned the movie a "nope" from my wife). And then you get stuff like the recent "Suicide Squad" trailer, which provided some pretty sneaky misdirection.

I'm not very enthused about this, but if they take the Universal Soldier approach of effectively rebooting and pretending the second and third movies don't exist, it could be OK.

pretending the second and third movies don't exist has long been the best option for everyone

Did anybody recognize who’s doing the score for the film?

― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish),

juno reactor tweeted this earlier :

"Thank you & I Love the support. Lana has made a great choice in Thomas Tykwer and co-composers, nothing stays the same, excited to see the new film!"

I tend not to watch trailers before seeing a movie as they often contain mild (and sometimes not so mild) spoilers but their one job (duh!) is to make people want to see the film, not necessarily convey what the film's about.

It seems that a lot of people walked out of The Green Knight as the trailer suggests you're in for some sword & sorcery action type shit and the reality is obviously nothing of the sort

idk, hatred for the matrix sequels seems like one of the worst hangover opinions from the early '00s

skipped everything after this post, otm

the second and third were bad, the first was good, i will watch the new one as soon as i am able

anyone who walked out of green knight slipped on a banana peel on their way out

to hell with this non-action movie that has a ton of action, i'm gonna go get some fruit instead, whooaaaa

I rewatched most of Reloaded/Revolutions and imo Reloaded is a great action set piece, subverts some of the things people assumed about the movie’s world after the first one, and ends on a cliffhanger that’s unsettling in how it fundamentally changes the conceit even further

Revolutions has some amazing bits, but suffers from too much Zion content. I get exactly what the Wachowskis were going for, but too much of the audience didn’t want an earthy, very human third setting between machine hellscape and VR dystopia

I will admit that I skipped a bunch of Zion scenes and rewatched all three over the weekend

Jessica Henwick looks cool af in this trailer

revolutions very tenderly pays off a bunch of character stuff initiated in reloaded and for that i always feel so emotional watching it that i can't really focus on the things that are supposedly bad about it. zion rules. the ultimate neo/smith fight is just 360 degree punching in digital rain and it's the best shit ever

ugh i'm gonna end up watching all of these again

hello i am rewatching all of these and coming to terms with the fact that i still love this trilogy truly madly deeply in a non ironic nerdy way