Lindsey Buckingham: C o' D?

Lindsey even

But we must have teams or we have no identity and *cries, flails*

For all the collective bullshit John has done such a good job extracting himself that there is no Team John.

Maybe Team John is really Team Put Your Money in the Bank and Make Sound Investments.

the way lindsay acts doesn't do much to dispel the account of him being a manipulative abuser

...but I just bought a house

As someone looking into home ownership, I'd just like to say I commiserate with this excuse far more now than I ever did before. Buying a home, any home, is expensive shit in every possible way!

I daresay hanging out with Neil Finn night after night and earning money for a house sounds better than doing the same with Buckingham.

But Bill Wyman makes a good point. I'm not 1/5th of any $200 million grossing endeavor.

Or $100 million I should say

You're just not posting the right way yet!

Yeah, still learning...I'm a slow learner all right!

When was the last time any of these lunatics probably even carried a wallet?

That reminds me of my favorite Paul McCartney impression. From Dana Carvey's stand-up, probably from the '80s before SNL:

"Linda! I lost me wallet! It had a million dollars in it...I'd hate to go back to the bank and get another million."

I read somewhere that the Beatles never carried money or wallets post-Beatlemania.

Picasso never needed a wallet.

Would anything have been missed, musically, if he had just kept his distance from the band post 1988? A couple of songs on Say You Will, maybe? Plus a stronger solo career, which seems to be his focus anyway?

he should forget about FM, join forces with & write an album for little big town. it would rule....maybe even reach the charts.

xpost I think what's clear is that it's the *band* that needed him. Even "Tango," a lot of that is essentially solo Bucky, as was "Tusk." They had to lure him back (again) for the reunion, and then lured him back *again* for Say You Will, because they needed his (more or less complete) songs. As the Times article noted, his new solo album was apparently done 4 years ago, so he's just been sitting on his hands (health scares aside). No doubt had the band decided to do something in the studio they would have borrowed at least some of his solo stuff (as they did for Say You Will). Neil Finn and Mike Campbell are great, great songwriters, but there is no way this current version of FM (which is probably done, anyway) is going to write and record anything new. They're too cautious and unmotivated. That's the crux of it.

Nicks has said she has no interest in a new album because she thinks it won't sell or something.

Xp Didn’t Lindsey quit/got fired because he was pushing for recording new material rather than touring? Stevie made it pretty clear that she didn’t see the financial point in putting out new music

Yeah, both right. I was just thinking of the Stevie quote above, "Fleetwood Mac, a band whose legacy is rooted in evolution and change, found a new path forward with two hugely talented new members." It was no new path forward, it was a way to ensure the tour obligations were met. If it was really an "evolution" akin to the band's past history, Finn and Campbell would contribute to a new album, but no way that's happening.

They should put out an album called Campell Finn and recreate the Buckingham Nicks cover photo and font.

clearly Lindsay could get along with everyone but Stevie, as there was that 2017 record that by all rights is a Fleetwood Mac record but they couldn't call it that cuz Nicks wasn't involved…

It's hard to really feel like there are good guys and bad guys here, just a bunch of rich weirdos (not as rich as they'd like, I guess) with different priorities. I don't begrudge Stevie being at a point where she's like, "Let's just go out and play the songs people love and get their adulation and money." Or Lindsey still wanting to create new stuff. I can understand both of those POVs.

Team Both Sides.

I've looked at Mac from both sides now

I used to think all these rock stars would age out of their stupid grudges - if Axl Rose can do it, surely anybody can, right? But I guess there’s something in the water in Laurel Canyon that turns everyone into 16 year olds, emotionally, forever. I still think in FM and CSNY’s case things have basically shaken out to separate the children from the adults, even if we’re speaking in relative terms - whether it’s 3 or 4 against 1, the lone guy is definitely the child and the asshole. As much as Lindsey was the architect of the FM sound, we already know he’s an abuser - I really don’t think Stevie has to explain why she never wants to work with him again, but if these tantrums keep playing out in public she might.

With CSNY I always thought Stills was the asshole. Just like with the Eagles I thought Don was king prick. I was wrong. But again you have to add “relatively speaking” with these fucking people.

'scream' is incredible #teamlindsey

Stevie Nicks was nervous. It was 1973, and the then-25-year-old singer and her guitarist boyfriend Lindsey Buckingham were posing for the cover of their first album, “Buckingham Nicks.”

Their record label had asked the duo to look “sexy,” and the bookish Nicks was already feeling self-conscious when the photographer told her to remove her diaphanous white blouse.

She didn’t want to do it. Buckingham lost it.stevie

“Don’t be a f–king child,” the then-24-year-old guitarist snapped. “This is art!”

Nicks and Buckingham met in high school in San Mateo, Calif. They were in a band called Fritz when they decided to move to Los Angeles and launch a career as a duo in 1971.

Yet while Nicks hustled to make rent, cleaning houses and waiting tables, Buckingham, who said he couldn’t work because he had to devote himself to music full-time, would spend most of the day smoking hash with his friends.One time, during a heated argument in front of the band in 1987, Buckingham, the book says, “manhandled Stevie, slapped her face and bent her backward over the hood of his car. He put his fingers around her neck and started to choke her.”

yeah, that 1987 incident was talked about at the time; it's insane how much perfidy we excused for the sake of Solitary Male Genius.

I like the music obv but him comparing her to Trump was so infuriating in context

stevie released as statement

https://www.nme.com/news/music/stevie-nicks-makes-first-public-statement-on-lindsey-buckinghams-exit-from-fleetwood-mac-3041963

“Following an exceedingly difficult time with Lindsey at MusiCares in New York, in 2018, I decided for myself that I was no longer willing to work with him. I could publicly reflect on the many reasons why, and perhaps I will do that someday in a memoir, but suffice it to say we could start in 1968 and work up to 2018 with a litany of very precise reasons why I will not work with him.

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“To be exceedingly clear, I did not have him fired, I did not ask for him to be fired, I did not demand he be fired. Frankly, I fired myself. I proactively removed myself from the band and a situation I considered to be toxic to my well-being. I was done. If the band went on without me, so be it.

“I have championed independence my whole life, and I believe every human being should have the absolute freedom to set their boundaries of what they can and cannot work with. And after many lengthy group discussions, Fleetwood Mac, a band whose legacy is rooted in evolution and change, found a new path forward with two hugely talented new members.

“Further to that, as for a comment on “family”—I was thrilled for Lindsey when he had children, but I wasn’t interested in making those same life choices. Those are my decisions that I get to make for myself. I’m proud of the life choices I’ve made, and it seems a shame for him to pass judgment on anyone who makes a choice to live their life on their own terms, even if it looks differently from what his life choices have been.”

Really great review for Pitchfork, Alfred --

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/lindsey-buckingham-lindsey-buckingham/

Thanks!

really enjoyed that, made me want to check out the album

Yeah, a good 'un. He can be tricky to write about on his own terms, but you pulled it off.

A pain in the ass too, for I didn't wanna concentrate on The Drama.

“In the blissful exile of the recording studio, Lindsey Buckingham dreams of a dozen music boxes tinkling beautifully in various keys without cease.”Wow! @SotoAlfred is new to me but now has my attention. Throwing heat on @pitchfork. https://t.co/Yn24DSP3yS

— Michael Chabon (@michaelchabon) September 14, 2021

great review, deserves the accolades

cool

stevie effectively giving an ultimatum after whatever happened between them at musicares makes way more sense than any of the other narratives that had previously been thrown around

Pretty awesome - outstanding job Alfred!

thanks all!

I've noticed that cheap concert tickets have been surprisingly easy to come by in NYC. It must be COVID that's impacting the demand but I took a risk on Buckingham's show tonight as the side areas were pretty empty and I found a pair on the outer edge that someone wanted to unload for about half their face value after fees. Excellent, excellent show, I've never seen a performer of this level more happy and grateful to be on a stage. Only downside was hearing some misogynist douchebag yelling an insult about Stevie Nicks.

haha "swan song" has breakbeats!

something really funny about him getting into late 90s drum loops 25 years late

"Power Down" is my jam.

Marc Maron interview with him: http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episode-1248-lindsey-buckingham?fbclid=IwAR3BOMbdMsY4IDy6fm11Z0Wrr33M1w3oPYYA68ForYAtHPfeQFieyLQyuqY

Snarky remarks on the Kirwan-Welch period, what he calls "the non-sequitur" years.

i.e the best ever

I concur with everyone, great album, first half in particular. On first listen I thought it might be feel like there were FM ghosts on it, that I'd want to hear these songs played by them, but that didn't wind up being the case.

he's got every play in the manipulative abuser handbook down pat

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lindsey-buckingham-suggests-stevie-nicks-still-in-love-with-him-fleetwood-mac-191258119.html

“I Don’t Mind” is pretty undeniable. It’s also pretty clearly a track he wrote for FM – the background vocal oohs and flutters are tailor-made for Nicks and McVie.

As for him getting the boot from FM, my theory has been that Nicks came to the realization post-MeToo that she shouldn’t live with an unrepentant abuser in her life any longer, no matter how good the music they make together is. Her recent statement pretty much does nothing to dispel that theory.