now that it's established that the other branches don't actually have editorial independence i'm really looking forward to "are the guardian us & au worse than they used to be" slowly becoming increasingly common
― ufo, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 21:59 (two years ago) link
in the decades since this thread started the guardian kowtowed to the MI5 in a fashion that made the Murdoch papers look like slackers. Aligned themselves with the transphobes and expended industrial amounts of energy attacking Corbynism. We need to stop helping keep them alive by giving them reluctant hate clicks and treat them as nothing different different from the spectator or the telegraph going forwards. They need to die.
― calzino, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 22:28 (two years ago) link
Can confirm
― plax (ico), Thursday, 9 September 2021 10:18 (two years ago) link
ShariVari's prediction was correct about their explanation but it makes no sense to me. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/guardian-judith-butler-interview-trans-terfs_n_6138d856e4b0f1b9706915be the criminal charge doesn't change the question or the answer, and even if they thought it was important to include they could just put an editor's note in brackets. it's just mindblowing how dishonest it is! btw i didn't even know the guardian had a separate u.s. or australian version.
― criminally negligible (harbl), Thursday, 9 September 2021 12:21 (two years ago) link
The author had rewritten the question to remove reference to that incident.
― plax (ico), Thursday, 9 September 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link
the guardian au is solidly centre-left & genuinely one of the best news sources here. not inclined to centrist hand-wringing, left-bashing, transphobia, or anything like that, thankfully. it probably helps that australian labor isn't quite as terrible as uk labour (though they're still shit in plenty of ways) but also they're not as committed to defending the bad parts either
― ufo, Friday, 10 September 2021 00:31 (two years ago) link
This is very true, though they do have one of the most annoying columnists in the world, Br1gid Del@ney
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 11 September 2021 13:06 (two years ago) link
still not quite as inane as some of the uk's though
― ufo, Saturday, 11 September 2021 13:10 (two years ago) link
Day 3 of a series of articles where a bunch of writers project whatever the hell they want on Emma Raducanu.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/14/emma-raducanu-famous-teenage-girls-young-women
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 07:43 (two years ago) link
I veer between gentle outrage and "sorry you'll have to get used to it, these morons will never change" every time I hear or see her name this week
― cheesons to be rearful (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 07:55 (two years ago) link
There is a lot of bullshit in women's tennis and it's coverage but it is a space where women just win and can get on with whatever they want. As for Raducanu, she has just won! And you're telling me she hasn't? Ok..
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 09:20 (two years ago) link
Hadley Freeman appears to be leaving The Guardian after this weekend.
Suspect she’ll be taking the Woody Allen Innocent show on the road to The Times but we’ll see.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:58 (two years ago) link
She’s got a few books to write, I guess? I think British Vogue stopped using her because she’s a transphobe (Edward the editor would not want someone like that writing for him).
― the thin blue lying (suzy), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link
This would be, genuinely, on balance, a reason to read the Guardian.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 16 September 2021 11:16 (two years ago) link
Hadley has deleted that tweet
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 16 September 2021 14:01 (two years ago) link
No reasons to ever read this rag beyond sheer fucking boredom.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 16 September 2021 14:02 (two years ago) link
On balance, I think contributing in some peculiar way to the departure of HF must rank as one of Jez's finest achievements
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/18/opinion-writing-has-changed-a-lot-since-i-started-out-its-time-for-something-new
― Piedie Gimbel, Saturday, 18 September 2021 09:27 (two years ago) link
how wonderful it would be to live in that cloud of sweet obliviousness
― that which does not chungus makes us chonger (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 18 September 2021 09:43 (two years ago) link
hah come back and talk about your legacy when you've managed to write a piece that still gets memed to death 20 years later like Milne's "They can’t see why they are hated" does.
― calzino, Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:00 (two years ago) link
well it turns out long Corbynism is good
― calzino, Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:12 (two years ago) link
It looks like she isn’t even leaving, it’s just the last column for Weekend, which is closing.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:16 (two years ago) link
But column-writing was seen as something of a private members’ club: elitist, dusty and distant.
This was my best bit, she is v funny tbfttl
― that which does not chungus makes us chonger (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:20 (two years ago) link
so it's only really "The End" for the 180 Weekend staff the Guardian have laid off
― calzino, Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:25 (two years ago) link
The Guardian: "why do we expect such a conformity of opinion?"Also The Guardian: *deletes interviews that do not conform* pic.twitter.com/BD4CXtMksl— Adam Smith (@adamndsmith) September 18, 2021
this is a very good point
― calzino, Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:41 (two years ago) link
I loved the way they closed the comments so that quite fortuitously this one remains on top (after the eulogising Guardian Picks):
Dear Hadley,
It has been marvellous to see your journalism evolve. You are a wonderful writer and I have treasured your fearlessness and independent-mindedness in confronting and examining questions others have fought shy of. I will be looking forward to reading more of your interviews and features on film, literature and culture, wherever they are published. Go well.
― Luna Schlosser, Saturday, 18 September 2021 10:50 (two years ago) link
"Go well"? Is that a thing people say?
― How does Spock's brain come into this? (Tom D.), Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:00 (two years ago) link
it sounds like Dungeons & Dragons speak.
― calzino, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:15 (two years ago) link
ppl do say it yes, i have used it in obits (of ppl who actually died that i was fond of)
― mark s, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:19 (two years ago) link
when do i get my guardian column
what do you say in obits when you're not fond of ppl?
― Luna Schlosser, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:25 (two years ago) link
Milne has a lot to answer for.
This is my favourite lol moment:
"None of this is why I’m stopping the column. It’s just time."
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:26 (two years ago) link
"RIP: they didn't know why they were hated"
― mark s, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:29 (two years ago) link
― mark s, Saturday, 18 September 2021 bookmarkflaglink
If you want one I suggest you study the masters
https://www.theguardian.com/profile/adrian-chiles
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:39 (two years ago) link
(x-post)Seems a bit harsh, especially if they saw themselves more as ".. wide circle of friends, colourful array of lovers, and lived an extraordinarily full life."
― Luna Schlosser, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:46 (two years ago) link
tbf that's why they were hated
― mark s, Saturday, 18 September 2021 11:51 (two years ago) link
would like to live in a country where a centre left paper might be fair minded enough to include the resignation of 2 members of staff over LGBT+ issues, her publicly identifying one of them, union reaction to this, trans members leaving party or even her comments this morning https://t.co/9AkeG0USUn— a rare photo of sean connery signed by roger moore (@steamedhamms) September 20, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 20 September 2021 11:22 (two years ago) link
tv guide has gone tabloid format, which is much less handy to have open beside you on the sofa 8(
― koogs, Saturday, 25 September 2021 10:54 (two years ago) link
Missed the separate Review section today. That said, like to read Alys Fowler and Rachel Roddy on a Saturday ... and they are both still there.
― djh, Saturday, 25 September 2021 21:58 (two years ago) link
wow
journo solidarity is so powerful pic.twitter.com/tQsRpz5QuV— josh (@lobstereo) September 28, 2021
― nashwan, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 10:44 (two years ago) link
They're worse than policemen and doctors when it comes to protecting their own at all costs.
― Starmer: "Let the children boogie, let all the children boogie." (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 10:46 (two years ago) link
also his "journalism" was mostly making shit up, right?
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 10:59 (two years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/29/how-safe-is-the-cinema-experts-weigh-in-on-risks-as-no-time-to-die-opens
This was so feebly reported it annoyed me beyond any need
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 29 September 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/D4Tudj3.png
― Pfunkboy AKA (Oor Neechy), Wednesday, 29 September 2021 21:39 (two years ago) link
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/03/which-bit-of-women-need-safe-places-dont-men-understand
From the sub-heading on down this was only going to end up in one place, that place being transphobic bullshit. And lo! - there it is.
― baking on ice is on in ten minutes (Matt #2), Sunday, 3 October 2021 09:20 (two years ago) link
haha the sunday revive of this thread is so reliable. god i hate the guardian/observer.
― plax (ico), Sunday, 3 October 2021 09:42 (two years ago) link
hmmm i wonder whether trans people or the kind of men who ally themselves with terfs are the bigger threat to safe spaces?
― look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 3 October 2021 09:53 (two years ago) link
the logic is impeccable
thought this week’s revive might be about the Nick Cohen piece (guess who are the enemies of free speech?)
― bespoke sausages (seandalai), Sunday, 3 October 2021 10:19 (two years ago) link
Not clicking the link obviously but how do these people always try to directly argue with men about this shit without referencing the majority of women who are in favour of trans women having access to women's bathrooms and shelters
― hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Sunday, 3 October 2021 10:30 (two years ago) link
Thought the revive might be the Philippa Perry advice column … but the btl commentators are unintentionally quite funny rather than irritating this week, as they try to make sense of a rather vague problem scenario.
― Luna Schlosser, Sunday, 3 October 2021 10:43 (two years ago) link