Television

what on earth is there to trash?

xxxxxppost Speaking of Amazon< they no longer have the download of TV's Rhino Handmade (do still have the RH mp3s of Beefheart. Fugs. threefold expansion of Bobby Charles s/t), and the domestic CD of Marquee Moon is not in the main listings, though it is on there (how are the Japanese versions of this and Adventure? Prices aren't bad) But mainly I'm wondering about this:
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The Miller's Tale: A Tom Verlaine Anthology

EMI Import 2007

1 Used from $39.99
1 New from $57.99

New two CD comp for one of THE founding fathers of modern rock. Disc 1 is 10 live tracks recorded at The Venue, London, June 3, 1982. Disc 2's 18 tracks include his best (both solo & with Television) plus 6 previously unavailable commercially. LIVE: Kingdom Come, Souvenir From A Dream, Clear It Away, Always, Postcard From Waterloo, Pene-tration, Breakin' In My Heart, Marquee Moon, Days On The Mountain & Prove It. HITS: Venus, Glory, The Grip Of Love,Without A Word, Words From The Front, Let Go The Mansion, O Foolish Heart, Lindi-Lu, Five Miles Of You, Anna, At 4 A.M.,

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I've got all the studio stuff in various formats here and there, but Disc 2 is a handy round-up. and Disc 1's liveness is intriguing.

It's too bad they won't release Disc 1 separately. At least do a download, it's kinda shitty that you have to buy another disc's worth of music that you probably already own.

the live stuff on miller's tale is terrific — his band in the 80s was killer.

Jimmy Ripp went on to work as lead guitarist on Mick Jagger's best solo album.

i don't think he plays on goddess in the doorway, alfred.

I've no doubt plugged it before, but this fan-made comp of Verlaine live from 1981-2001 is worth everyone's time. https://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/151241115682/tom-verlaine-pull-down-the-future-live

"Breakin' In My Heart" from Verlaine's eponymous debut has always been a favorite. Love that whole album, but with Ricky Wilson's prominent guest spot, it's basically my favorite supergroup playing on that track. (Television frontman/guitarist, Television bassist/Blondie's original bassist, Patti Smith Group drummer, B-52's guitarist)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdRuMvtAQ5w

Also check out this vintage Television site

OMG! If you can somehow navigate to the cover version of 'see no evil' by the band 'fine,' i'm one of the guitarists! please hang around for the solo, which was my attempt at a tv mashup, inserting the 'ain't that nothin' solo where the 'see no evil' solo should be. worked out kinda nice! gosh that was a long time ago...

https://tv.obbard.com/tribute/contents.htm

You all sound excellent.

thanks! fun fact: that's creed taylor's son on drums.

should have asked dad to put some strings on it.

haha! i only met him once, very briefly. shook his hand. an honor.

It's too bad they won't release Disc 1 separately. At least do a download, it's kinda shitty that you have to buy another disc's worth of music that you probably already own.

― birdistheword, Monday, August 16, 2021 6:21 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Well, it's a small fortune now, so you might as well get two discs for yr money.

And disc 2 has three tracks from the lost album

Spotify has xpost Live At The Old Waldorf---and not Live At The Academy, but that's much more affordable, at least as a download (maybe free, if I keep looking). Also has a good selection of Tom albums ---is Flash Light the most recent?

(xpost because that's the Rhino Handmade Ltd.Ed.CD/download, both now OOP)

Live at the Academy is available on Spotify, but appears under a different Television:

https://open.spotify.com/album/4qnBkw3UpZhel1P5zSXM2e?si=OQ81e3fjSriG1guDfH-qkw&dl_branch=1

Portland 1978 is also worth seeking - not the best recorded (I'm pretty sure it's an audience recording), but maybe the best show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UxMEp45kf4

Xpost - two albums since flash light. The wonder, which I really haven’t warmed to, and then after a long gap Songs And Other Things which is a tad overlong but has a bunch of top shelf material on it (which came across especially well on the ensuing tour)

Hey, just found this, sorry if posted before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKgyjw478B8

man what i wouldn't give for an entire pro-shot video of Television in 1978.

Yeah.

I have a fond memory of seeing the charming indie-pop band Small Factory do a sound check back in 1994 or so, and when the sound guy asked them to play all together they out of nowhere busted out a dead-on cover of iirc "See No Evil."

From the Richard Hell thread, a news update from his official site:

JANUARY 2022: There's now up an astounding video from 1974 of the original Television lineup, playing Tom Verlaine's "Hard on Love" on a tiny stage in a New York club (not CBGB), when Richard was not only in the band, but singing and writing many of the songs and heavily influencing the group's style. This period lasted about six months before Verlaine had fully succeeded in changing the direction of the band, dropping Hell's songs from the setlist, insisting that band members stand still on stage, and reverting to ordinary hipster thrift-shop streetwear, rather than the various stylistic concepts Hell had conceived. No denying that Verlaine is stunning in the clip though. What a band. There's speculation that the gig is from late May at the Cafe Wha? in Greenwich Village. (The band's very first gig was in March.) What we do know is that John Lennon saw it in September because he remarks on it during an interview in Melody Maker as he watches it on local TV that month (Sept. 14 issue). This is also the version of the band that initiated CBGB, thrilled Malcolm McLaren and Patti Smith, and made Robert Quine think that perhaps there was a place for him in rock and roll after all. You can see the clip (and read what Lennon said, in the uploader's intro text) at YouTube. Pair it with the veryearly Ork loft rehearsal tapesand you can see what the excitement was about in 1974, and where punk began...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLlhYiN4gmU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcGEcB5M4es

pretty amazing stuff! "They sound terrible but they’re OK!"

Ironic that Lennon, in his appreciation, was effectively ahead of the game.

He'd had someone make a tape of stuff, the person had put what he'd asked for (old stuff mainly) on one side, and on side 2 had added B52s, Talking Heads, etc - but he'd taken no notice of it. a year or so later he thought about it but had lost the tape so had to ask his fried to make it up again for him..

friend, not fried.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p98PjtSfNWo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8j8SECzULw

I was reading that William Orbit interview on the other thread, and he made an obvious but still good observation, that there are entire eras of music and various scenes that were barely even photographed, let alone filmed. Now, of course, everything is photographed and filmed. But when you see stuff like this, or that Eno doc, or things of their ilk, it's almost like seeing the Patterson–Gimlin Bigfoot film.

Have been reminded recently of what a shame it is that Pere Ubu don't appear to have had anything filmed before Birdies in Urgh! A Music War. Just would have been something else if teh art scene in Cleveland included film makers who wanted to document the scene and capture the band when onetime possible Television member peter Laughner was onboard or over the next couple of years.

Yeah - massive shame if no footage survives of singles/modern/dub era ubu

I've seen (and enjoyed) Ubu live - but something about the music of that era makes it seem appropriate that their art is audio-only. Seeing film of them would be like dubbing sound on a silent movie... it was meant to documented exclusively sonically.

We will be touring as a trio this November. Myself on guitar and vocals; David Leonard on bass and vocals and Kevin Tooley on drums and vocals. It will be great fun and I very much looks forward to it, We will again be touring the North East, hoping to get to the west coast later

— Richard Lloyd (@RichardLloyd206) September 7, 2022

I love, love this band to bits. I've never seen them live, one of my biggest regrets.

Seeing bad, bad rumours on the internet right now :(

Yeah. Let's see.

is this a trustworthy news site?

https://snbc13.com/tom-verlaine-marquee-moon-popular-singer-guitarist-has-died-death-obituary/

i don't have fb, but maybe someone with access can confirm rosenbloom's account?

obviously tough news.

https://louderthanwar.com/tom-verlaine-dies-at-73/

Yeah, I know Lee a bit from back in the day. He's definitely one of those "in the know" music types.

I don't know this person but apparently a credible source :(

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cn-Kmjaul80/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Fuck

ugh, looking like it's true

Marquee Moon was one of those records I'd read about years before I heard it, one of the rare ones that not only lived up to the hype but exceeded it in ways I couldn't have imagined. Changed so much about how I thought about rock bands and how to construct music.

I don't know what more you could ever hope to achieve using the standard drums/bass/guitar format

Never even considered the possibility of him dying

My intro? The eponymous 1992 album: a minor masterpiece of precision. I heard Verlaine and Lloyd's duels and thought, "Who the hell are these people?" An ideal preparation for Marquee Moon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeIoKtnPBiQ

they canceled a tour last year because of "health problems" but I didn't dare think this would happen ...