I'll settle for scratch n' sniff.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 12 August 2021 15:55 (two years ago) link
i am only a mid-level replacements fan but they're doing such a good job with these sets, glad that they keep on coming.
― tylerw, Thursday, 12 August 2021 15:56 (two years ago) link
Absolutely, though they seem to be at the mercy of whatever Twin/Tone or Sire recorded. (Even with at least one soundboard tape circulating, no relevant live shows were included on the Pleased to Meet Me set.) I'm especially looking forward to Tim (new mixes? "Nowhere Is My Home" finally from a first-generation master?) and there's definitely gems leftover from Hootenanny (the great, full band "You're Getting Married" that Bob vetoed). Let It Be's my favorite 'Mats album, but given the underwhelming bonuses on the 2008 CD, I'm not expecting the box set to be one of their best ones.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 12 August 2021 16:05 (two years ago) link
I had no idea there was a "Pleased" boxed set.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 August 2021 16:10 (two years ago) link
Just a 7th St. Entry poster from April '81 on FB, and would you believe the 'Mats opened for Humble Pie (Marriott/Bobby Tench lineup)?
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 6 September 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link
Sounds like a great show.
― tumblin’ dice outro (morrisp), Monday, 6 September 2021 18:12 (two years ago) link
Saw a track off that new Sorry, Ma box, didn’t see more than that or Pleased Box. Had no idea about that Humble Pie show or that lineup.
― What Does Blecch Mean to Me? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 September 2021 18:27 (two years ago) link
Sorry Ma Deluxe available 10/22/21
― What Does Blecch Mean to Me? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 September 2021 18:29 (two years ago) link
Maybe I knew about Pleased box but forgot about it.
― What Does Blecch Mean to Me? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 September 2021 18:30 (two years ago) link
The Pleased box set did really well, but IMHO if you have All for Nothing/Nothing for All and the 2008 Rhino reissue of the album (and while I'm at it the Trouble Boys book), you probably don't need the box set, not unless you really need to listen to rough mixes and alternates.
― birdistheword, Monday, 6 September 2021 18:46 (two years ago) link
Intrigued at “Johnny’s Gonna Die/All by Myself”
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 16 October 2021 02:57 (two years ago) link
Dud
― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Saturday, 16 October 2021 03:06 (two years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/SEBD4Gj09n— SNL Hosts Introducing the Musical Guest (@snlhostsintro) October 1, 2021
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 17 October 2021 02:41 (two years ago) link
I am listening to Hootenanny for the first time in many years (15?) and I remembered something funny about being a kid Replacements fan. I would read these articles about them and their drunken antics and never really get it. My first album of theirs was DTAS and then I bought ASD when it came out. They seemed very adult, civilized. Exploring their back catalogue was my #1 priority at the time, and this is the album where I started to finally understand what those booze stories meant in terms of their music. There are some really stupid songs on this album, and the good ones are REALLY good.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 28 February 2022 17:46 (two years ago) link
OTM
― Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 28 February 2022 17:56 (two years ago) link
The stupid throwaway stuff doesn't drag it down or stop its momentum either. There is no "Baby Song" equivalent. The title song is pretty much the worst one, putting first gets it out of the way and serves as a warm-up- kind of a stroke of genius of sequencing- and then we're off to the races.
― Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 28 February 2022 18:03 (two years ago) link
lol yes to Baby Song, yes to title song being easily the worst one and if you can make it past the door of this place, you will have a good time.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 28 February 2022 18:06 (two years ago) link
Probably said this upthread at least one time, but a friend of mine once claimed that they peaked early with the first album and slowly got worse with every recording after that. He has since changed his mind or most likely forgot saying this but I remain convinced, mostly. The argument can be made that any one of the records with Bob could be considered the best. Hootenanny still has the band room sound and plently of Bob-tastic gonzo magic along with Paul's more varied songwriting so I am quite happy to think of it as the best on plenty of days.
― Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 28 February 2022 18:15 (two years ago) link
Haha I will never understand the hate for "The Baby Song." It's goofy! It's funny! Maybe I listened to A Quick One and The Who Sell Out too much or something, because "The Baby Song" just sounded like another "Cobwebs and Strange" or "Heinz Baked Beans" to me.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 28 February 2022 18:23 (two years ago) link
"Flexible Flyer" would be a 10/10 no matter what, but the fact that it comes after "Baby Song" makes it an 11/10, which makes "Baby Song" good.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 February 2022 18:28 (two years ago) link
And come on, "Baby Song" is 47 seconds long. "How to Skin a Cat" is almost two minutes, and it's followed by "Whatcha Drinkin'".
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 February 2022 18:30 (two years ago) link
All true and I thought that same thing about the sequencing that leads from Mr Whirly to Within Your Reach. The bounce from low quality to high quality song is part of the fun I guess.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 28 February 2022 18:38 (two years ago) link
"Treatment Bound" probably the second worst song on this. But then there is stuff like "You Lose" which I forget even exists but totally enjoy listening to.
― Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 28 February 2022 18:39 (two years ago) link
I think the key to "Mr Whirly" is all the nods to the Beatles, which is the band acknowledging more than just the usual FM butt-rock (in self-destructive slapdash fashion). And then to follow such a piss-take with "Within Your Reach" ...
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 February 2022 18:47 (two years ago) link
"color me impressed" <3
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 28 February 2022 18:49 (two years ago) link
the sequencing that leads from Mr Whirly to Within Your Reach
you had to flip the album over to get one to the other, for whatever that's worth. also i love "mr. whirly."
"treatment bound" is fantastic ("too bored to thrash" one of their many manifestos). "you lose" is hella good (and a kind of rosetta stone for westerberg's melodic sensibilities).
if someone says something negative about "run it" or "lovelines," i'm going to cry.
"willpower" is the one misstep hootenanny for my money.
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 28 February 2022 18:49 (two years ago) link
on misstep *on* hootenanny
i came back here to praise "willpower" -- i really liked that song more than i thought i did. i think it's genuinely bleak-sounding and i love the part where he says "my life". the vocal treatment sounds pretty genuinely haunted and it's about lacking willpower, a relatable and relevant to the band concept. i think it's pretty good!
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 28 February 2022 20:12 (two years ago) link
Seconded.
― Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 28 February 2022 20:18 (two years ago) link
Also, "How to Skin a Cat" is really not that bad. Sort of a bit like "Lovelines" which I, um, love.
― Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 28 February 2022 20:21 (two years ago) link
It's not bad, just kind of annoying.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 February 2022 20:26 (two years ago) link
I guess Lovelines is annoying too, but it's kind of catchy and silly and it doesn't seem designed to clear the room.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 February 2022 20:28 (two years ago) link
But basically we all seem to agree that Hootenanny is in fact a pretty solid album listening experience.
― Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 28 February 2022 20:36 (two years ago) link
I do believe so.
For me Lovelines is on that level of very annoying. I didn't like it as a young person and found myself not liking it again today. I would be ok never hearing it again.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 28 February 2022 21:02 (two years ago) link
Treatment Bound" probably the second worst song on this
Are you out of your fucking mind?
― zacata, Monday, 28 February 2022 21:47 (two years ago) link
(xp) i do believe so too.
lovelines grew on me over the years. i think of it as a throwaway that completely works. the glorious goofiness of the swing. "oh yeah, oh yeah, kitten!"
agree about the genuine bleakness/hauntednesss of willpower; it's just that musically it's never seemed of a piece with the rest of the album, or even that whole era of the band, to me. it sounds to me like an outtake from an album they wouldn't make for another five or six years.
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 28 February 2022 21:50 (two years ago) link
Yeah that’s probably right. Also lol the part about Kitten is EASILY my least favorite part of Lovelines. I chalk it up to being female and yet still enjoying this hapless bro band.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 28 February 2022 21:54 (two years ago) link
ha. i think i've always heard that as "hey here's a chance to turn to turn a line from one of these classified ads into a rock cliché, let's do it," and i've never given it a thought beyond that, but i'm not female and, yeah, i hear you.
― fact checking cuz, Monday, 28 February 2022 22:19 (two years ago) link
I always assumed they kinda swiped the idea from the Circle Jerks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tymn7qY4nL0
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 28 February 2022 23:06 (two years ago) link
I saw them at the Aragon Ballroom in Chicago in 1989. They were incendiary. Saw them later the same year opening for Tom Petty, they were almost literally phoning it in. I suppose that's pretty much a good representation of the arc of their career overall.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 28 February 2022 23:13 (two years ago) link
I almost saw them at the Aragon that year, but didn’t (long story, but I’m still pissed about it). I didn’t see the Petty show at Poplar Creek, but I remember many people calling into a morning radio show the next day talking about this weird band that had opened. The whole segment lasted maybe 20 minutes, and I thought, “Morning shows don’t usually spend 20 minutes on the previous night’s Petty concert, so chalk this one up for the ‘mats.”
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 28 February 2022 23:20 (two years ago) link
That Aragon gig was a hell of a show. It was oversold. I was up on the balcony to the left of the stage. I really worried that the thing was going to collapse.
Pretty fucking great setlist, too.
1 intro2 Color Me Impressed3 Talent Show4 I Don't Know5 Back to Back6 Favorite Thing7 Achin' to Be8 The Ledge9 Anywhere's Better Than Here10 Nightclub Jitters11 Cruella DeVille12 Waitress in the Sky13 Asking Me Lies14 Within Your Reach15 I Will Dare16 I'll Be You17 Another Girl, Another Planet (The Only Ones cover)18 Can't Hardly Wait19 Lovelines20 Black Diamond (KISS cover)21 Unsatisfied22 Darlin' One23 Bastards of Young24 Here Comes a Regular25 Valentine26 Never Mind27 Alex Chilton
https://archive.org/details/the-replacements-1989-06-10-chicago-08
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 28 February 2022 23:22 (two years ago) link
Saw them later the same year opening for Tom Petty, they were almost literally phoning it in. I suppose that's pretty much a good representation of the arc of their career overall.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, February 28, 2022 5:13 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
They talk about the Petty tour in Trouble Boys, it was their typical lack of confidence meets toxic arrogance that led them to kind of sandbag the tour. Petty was frustrated because 1) he couldn't conceive of giving less than 100% 2) he really like their songs and wanted them to go over
anyway Tommy and him were walking through some State Fair they were playing and Tommy was being an elitist dickhead and cracking jokes about how lame it was and Petty says "Why are you here then?", Tommy turned the question around on him and Petty says "I'm here because I'm getting paid $200,000 to be here, how about you?"
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 28 February 2022 23:25 (two years ago) link
My most vivid memory of Tommy was him at the Aragon, wearing one of the big beer buckets they were selling on his head.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 28 February 2022 23:28 (two years ago) link
Thereby foretelling his future stint in Guns N’ Roses.
― Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 28 February 2022 23:34 (two years ago) link
You're thinking of Buckethead.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 February 2022 23:43 (two years ago) link
🤔
― Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 28 February 2022 23:47 (two years ago) link
Oh, was that the joke? It's confusing, because Tommy and Buckethead were both in GNR at the same time!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 28 February 2022 23:51 (two years ago) link
TS: My Bloody Valentine's "Loveless" followup vs. Guns 'N' Roses' "Chinese Democracy".. who will win the photo finish??!!!
― Solaris Ocean Blue (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 1 March 2022 00:13 (two years ago) link
I was at that Aragon show. Utterly life changing - I got a recording of it off dimeadozen at some point, ‘Shit Shower Shave’ was most of Milwaukee show same tour I believe. My date that night still chat about what a great show it was, whenever we see each other.
― BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 1 March 2022 00:44 (two years ago) link