pitchfork is dumb (#34985859340293849494 in a series.)

i was a heavy ska fan in high school and for the xian kids it was some of the only music i was into that they'd latch onto, even secular stuff. something about the midwestern band geek/christian kid axis i think

I definitely got the full-court press on listening to Petra a few times in sunday school

Had a friend in high school with a Spazz-styke grindcore band, they had a song titled "All the Kids Who Listen to Ska Get Good Grades and Are in Lots of After-School Activities." The Xian ska thing definitely checks out.

hopefully, in true grindcore fashion, the song is shorter than the time it takes to say its full title

"You guys like Ska? You wanna come to a party on Friday?"

voodoo chili, believe so.

their best song was the anti-emo "Whining About Your Pain Only Makes Us Hate You More."

Their name was Affirmative Action Jackson. Still have the demo. lol.

Aside from a few matinees in Deep Ellum, Christians had a local monopoly on all ages shows, so whatever your beliefs or musical tastes you were eventually going to end up at a Christian ska/punk/industrial/thrash show.

i will go to bat for a few ccm-related tracks as some of my all-time favs, including "crush on you" by the jets and "baby baby" by amy grant.

the jets are tongan-american and mormon. there is a very weird history of mini-colonialism going on in the mormon faith involving people in places like tonga and american samoa that really hit it off with missionaries' bizarre message and people who converted partially because they saw a better life in fromt of them afaict. anyway, that's my mormon/jets bullet point which i'm sure i've shared several other times on this board.

i would read the hell out of a deep ethnography of mormon-associated pop culture but as far as i'm aware the venn diagram of 'people with a mormon background who have access to the ins and outs of the culture and are experts on it' and 'people who are insightful cultural critics' is vanishingly small.

also, on the other hand, maybe i wouldn't, because the objections coming from people who have experienced trauma because of these cultures also applies to me.

i did listen to jesus freak w/apologies to the big man in the sky that album is ass

https://i.imgflip.com/5ihtyc.jpg

Holy shit, I didn't know about the Jets. "Crush on You" is one of my favorites of its kind.

Once in the late 80s (before the whole "christian version of X" band was a thing) we were skateboarding outside a church that happened to have a big regional youth group thing going on. A couple of the kids came out to proselytize to us.

They asked what kind of music we listened to, so we told them that we liked Black Flag, Dead Kennedys, Misfits, NWA, Ice-T, etc. They were extremely pleased that we didn't mention any 'bad' bands like Judas Priest or AC/DC, then started talking about how Stryper and Petra were great.

looool

"what music do you listen to, fellow youths?"

"Bathory. only Bathory."

"...oh yeah, Bathory! well, just stay away from that Judas Priest!"

All hail Ka.

Oh wow that's fucking awesome, so well deserved for an artist who's been so great for so long

that's a good review, i've been meaning to listen to him!

in this $uicideboy$ review:

Three 6 Mafia used the imagery of slashers and demonic possession to express their condition as inhabitants of a society in which they had little to no power over their lives due to racial and economic oppression.

idk did they? i kinda figured they just thought that stuff sounded cool.

I didn't even know about the new album, can't seem to find it (yet).

the ka album is only available to buy from his website for now, getting a wider release eventually though i think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOdf3etKNyE

guess I missed that 96-21 poll, though narrowing down beyond the obvious All for You / Adam & Eve / Embrya / Blackheart / I Can Hear the Heart Beating as One top five was seeming impossible anyway. hopefully the lone Catherine Wheel vote came from elsewhere?

definitely worth buying if you liked his previous stuff, especially last year's album.

https://pitchfork.com/reviews/tracks/baby-keem-kendrick-lamar-family-ties/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6HBZC9pZHQ

He embarks on an extended ramble, zeroing in on phrases like, “I am the omega, pgLang, Rollie gang, S.I.E.,” and, “I’m not a trending topic, I’m a prophet,” sounding increasingly unhinged with each bar. He reaches for a bizarre Hulk Hogan impression, distorting his voice as he finishes multiple lines with “brother.”

this doesn't really sound at all like he's trying to be hulk hogan to me, and it feels pretty..um..not great to assume an african american person using the word "brother" which has a pretty long history is imitating a pro wrestler (who's actually a big racist too)

Pitchfork isn't the only place calling it a Hulk imitation

yeah I guess I'm not 100%, but they can be wrong too. I dunno maybe i'm wrong

It's like when Liam Gallagher reached for that bizarre Hank Kingsley impression on "Hey Now!"

It's not particularly good is the thing

i've warmed up to his dumb arm swinging

lmao what the fuck is this

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/ranking-every-guest-appearance-on-kanye-west-donda-from-worst-to-best/

gotta keep the grift going, no such things as bad press, etc. etc.

i liked that article, or list, actually. it was irreverent in a way that pitchfork hasn't done since the days when everyone started saying pitchfork was dumb

mystified by everyone getting mad at that. its 'not for me' as a reader but when rap writing was all serious all the time ppl complained there wasnt enough irreverent fun shit like that and now that there is ppl are all mad about it. (lets ignore that the "outrage" around the article was basically ginned up by teenage kanye stans saying stuff like 'this is what journalism is like now')

oh shit, was their people getting mad about that beyond this thread? jeez!

i thought that was fun

lets ignore that the "outrage" around the article was basically ginned up by teenage kanye stans saying stuff like 'this is what journalism is like now')

gamergate never ended

I'm all for irreverent journalism but that doesn't change my baseline desire to put every article about Kanye post-2013 on a pile and light a match

But as “Ode to Billie Joe” became a global phenomenon, the song that will inevitably appear in every headline of Gentry’s eventual obituaries, that image hid more than it revealed.

Gentry is alive today, though it seems relevant to say that few people know where.

The Search for Bobbie Gentry

I know where Syd Barrett lives

Olivia Rodrigo ran through a punk-rock-prom performance of “Good 4 U,” a song we’ve all heard roughly three billion times by now. It was fun enough, but wouldn’t it have been a lot more exciting if, in the middle of the song, Paramore’s Hayley Williams—who was recently awarded a credit on the song because of its resemblance to her band’s hit “Misery Business”—came out of nowhere, and they did a one-time-only duet, uniting generations of pop-punk angst?!

no.

“wouldn’t it have been a lot more exciting if, in the middle of the song, Paramore’s Hayley Williams”

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fe/B.o.B_-_Airplanes.jpg/220px-B.o.B_-_Airplanes.jpg

If you're Brad Nelson maybe.

wouldn’t it have been a lot more exciting if, in the middle of the song, ILX's Brad Nelson came out of nowhere, and they did a one-time-only duet, uniting generations of pop-punk angst?!

Alfred, yes!

Weirdly exhaustive piece on some marginal producer dude suing three different ppl: https://pitchfork.com/news/phoebe-bridgers-sued-for-defamation/

Even though one of them is Phoebe Bridgers, why publish this?

there must be 5-15 articles every day

that's the amount of news that happens every day

and our job is to report out 2-4 of those per day. and if you keep doing 6 per day, well. well. you might just get to scale back to 3 per day after that, but longer and better articles

i like to pretend you're the real Karl Malone posting to ILM

me too

god, me too

it's being pretty widely covered elsewhere too, solely because phoebe bridgers is involved. it's definitely weird it's gotten so much attention but i guess everywhere just wants some of the clicks as always