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“Big White Cloud” from Vintage Violence, which I haven’t listened to too much.

Enjoying James Cromwell much more than I though I would.

This show is so dumb but Im watching it anyway, thanks ilx

yr dumb
and yr welcome

how could anyone not enjoy james cromwell

Sorry, he's always good but, and I know I am dating myself, I always have to get over the tendency to still think of him as Stretch Cunningham from All in the Family.

Is this a spoiler free thread or what. Cause I want to complain about stuff

Thought we were keeping it spoiler free, yes. Do you know how to use the Hidden Text tags?

Stretch Cunningham from _All in the Family_.

i fear i created a monster and i accept blamd but dude you HAVE to stop posting about Counterpart itt now i beg you.

I figured it was annoying, and I will stop now that I have received official notification, sorry.

Push this link at oh-eight-hundred and burn for three seconds: COUNTERPART: Alternate History w/ Creepy Cold War Vibe

PRIME, you are go on that D2 injection

fuck hidden tags

hardcore cringe at gordo’s son making moves on Baldwin wife

2/3 of the way through S2 and drunk Tracy in space is a thing I never knew I needed #spacetruckinfuckyeah

Oh, hadn’t realized you hadn’t finished S2.

taking it slow :)

Good approach. I binged and crashed.

S1E7 touches some deep place in my existence.

Like various things I am interested in or can relate to were collapsed into one tissue-paper spacecraft-piercing meteorite.

Several implausibilities in s2e10 cheapened the experience. the handshake changing everyone’s mind and Reagan diverting Air Force one to Moscow (really????) and Ed’s last minute decision to fire on his own payload (???). Not to mention the wife/kid storyline was shit…and the reveal that the Russian dude isn’t really interested in poor Margo… …. Feel like the overall quality of the show went slowly but steadily downhill.

Is there an ETA for Season 3, anyone know?

They're already filming but imagine a show like this has a ton of post-production. There's no release date yet but guesses are early 2022

Really enjoyed the show but agree with calstars, Several implausibilities in s2e10 cheapened the experience

I went with S2 and enjoyed parts of it a lot, including the boffo last two episodes but yeah. had a bunch of issues, same one calstars did. I even found a Reddit thread deploring the somewhat icky and probably unnecessary "Stacy's Mom" subplot.

oh hey I watched this show in just over a week, and now I say things like "Negative, Flight" when I don't want to do something. It's been fun learning about space stuff (lots of time spent looking up FIDO/GUIDO/astrowives/Sea Dragon/etc on Wikipedia)* and as called out before it shares with H&CF the joy of following the characters hang out/invent the future/screw up over the course of decades. Every scene in mission control is great.

The broader story and character arcs had a tendency to veer between predictable and wtf with not much in the middle, esp in S2.

most bizarre part: wartless portrayal of Reagan, double bizarre given some of the show's other themes

best characters: Margo and Molly by a distance. Wayne is cool too.

Roll on S3, though I guess the timelines must be diverging totally now and I don't really care about the next generation (I will not be happy if Kelly+Danny are the next couple with relationship issues; Aleida is fine)

*One thing I learned while looking into Ed's accident while dogfighting with Gordo was that the top cause of death for astronauts in the 1960s was crashing your T-38 while travelling between bases

Good write-up. I like all the characters, I guess, although it did take me a while to warm up to Wayne, but if I had to pick two (PO2- Flight, give me a read on those PO2 levels!) I'd go with Gordo and Kelly, I think.

Soillers galore, obv, but: https://www.vox.com/culture/2021/4/23/22396461/for-all-mankind-season-2-finale-recap-the-grey-review-ron-moore

Heh, interesting typo

S3 Predictions:

-Most of the cast will return having been aged up by sprinkling baby powder in their hair, and nothing else

-In contrast, millions in special FX will be spent on de-aging Michael Stipe to redo the "Man on the Moon" video

-Ron Moore will make a cameo as a young writer at a newsstand reading a Variety article about TNG launching as two Cylons look on

Lol!

Absolute favourite moment was Margo's toothbrush pen

this is embarrassing but I knew literally nothing about Flight KAL 007 until this episode

wikipedia read got me like O_O fuk

if anyone can recommend me a good book about it i’d be grateful

Lol had no idea that was a real event either

the wikipedia article is bananas

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_007

also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

It truly is, 1983 was such a fucking minefield, I'm glad I was only 11 and all 'tra-la-la' not knowing what terrible cold war, human error shit was going on back then.

I had forgotten about the Soviets shooting down that Korean air lines flight. Question for season 3 (seems to be '93-'95), what event(s) from our timeline will show up in the FAM timeline? Soviet Union or Russia, the Balkan war, Bill Clinton becomes president, Hubble Space Telescope, tech/internet innovations?

I guess Clinton will be knocking about doing something but the timelines should have diverged too much for any of the tech stuff to make sense (they already had video calls and electric cars in 1983, who needs AOL?). Oil presumably not so important so maybe Gulf War I didn't happen. USSR longevity is I guess the big question for the writers - they already didn't invade Afghanistan, does Chernobyl happen?

Speaking of real events in the series, I was somewhat relieved to not to have to relive the Challenger tragedy in '86. I think the show hinted at it a couple of times -- made it seem as if it was about to happen -- but then diverged.

yeah they obliquely reference it in the ep with the korean airliner is shot down
when Margo says to the Russian dude about the Apollo Soyuz (paraphrasing terribly) “we discovered a flaw in the o-ring that it cracks when it gets cold” the subtext is the challenger disaster was averted

There's an awesome power these alternate history shows can have in avoiding historical tragedies. Though it wasn't as striking as, say, what Tarantino did in Inglorious Basterds or Once Upon a Time, I loved that the Challenger explosion was avoided

KInd of hate alternate history unless it is done right, maybe that is a content-free statement, if so, sorry.

yeah i liked how they handled it here
still really impactful & moving without any real signposting

this is embarrassing but I knew literally nothing about Flight KAL 007 until this episode

wikipedia read got me like O_O fuk

if anyone can recommend me a good book about it i’d be grateful

I was 17, just graduated high school and have vivid memories of the KAL007 shootdown. IIRC, the plane was overdue but there was already suspicion that the Soviets had shot it down because they had already shot down another KAL jet in 1978. A week later Jeane Kirkpatrick gave her speech to the UN Security Council. I listened to it in the car on I-40 somewhere between Barstow and Ludlow - I couldn't decide if I wanted to keep going home or turn around and hang out another couple of days with my stoner rockclimbing friends who were out at Kelso Dunes. I went home, but I was convinced that this was going to lead to some sort of retaliatory first strike and then an all-out nuke war. I was in OC - even the Laguna Beach commie hippies demanded bloodthirsty revenge.

Weird associative memory: I saw the Talking Heads at the Pacific Amp the night of the shootdown. I was listening to them constantly through this time.

The Air Crash Investigations episode on KAL 007 is well done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYYqcDUDc44

fuck, I don't want to sound like I'm age shaming, but as I watched the episode and realized that Tom was on a Korean Air jet I was seriously "oh shit, they're really going there!"

As for future events? It's difficult to say, because everything that FAM season 2 has portrayed so far is performatively better than what aerospace engineering and NASA was proposing in the 1990s. I'd love to see the Star Raker make an appearance, but it's a 1978 proposal. After thirty years of a gung ho and well-funded NASA, spin-off tech can presumably be anything but I suspect the collapse of the Soviet Union (maybe the Mars mission will hasten it?) and the internet will be in season 3 somewhere.

KInd of hate alternate history unless it is done right, maybe that is a content-free statement, if so, sorry.

Long time since I've seen it, but I liked how Dark Skies worked itself into history (especially the UFO shooting down Francis Gary Powers). Too bad season 2 never happened.

Get the Project Orion variation Freeman Dyson was working on calculations for and go to Alpha Centauri: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)

}At 0.1c, Orion thermonuclear starships would require a flight time of at least 44 years to reach Alpha Centauri, not counting time needed to reach that speed (about 36 days at constant acceleration of 1g or 9.8 m/s2). At 0.1c, an Orion starship would require 100 years to travel 10 light years. The astronomer Carl Sagan suggested that this would be an excellent use for current stockpiles of nuclear weapons."