Post a controversial music opinion

all genres matter

Randy Newman is a musical garbage machine.

so is his ass

Here's a controversial music opinion: labeling any genre as "fucking garbage" is as prejudiced as saying any cultural or ethnic group is "fucking garbage". There's garbage in every genre, yet none of them deserve that label.

While it might be correct on some level to call it prejudiced, I would defend use of hyperbole to vent strong opinions on a music forum without fear of it being compared to ethnic slurs. I would even go further and defend dismissing certain cultures as "fucking garbage" without that being compared to doing the same for an ethnic group. Difference in my mind being that a culture is something a person chooses to be a part of.

xposts Although he was the musical inspiration for that time my brother came to town and we spent the whole weekend inventing songs for my imaginary Newman Sings Newman album (where every tune is from the perspective of Jerry Seinfeld's nemesis). Pretty sure we nearly made a friend of mine pee his pants. Good times.

Otherwise: musical garbage machine.

Except there's a strong history of those genres that are commonly targeted and specifically dismissed wholesale as being ones started by and intended for historically marginalized groups - disco, rap, jazz being three prime contenders. It's pretty hard to extract that history when someone dismisses the entirety of a genre as "fucking garbage".

you know what's fucking garbage? this thread :)

Does that fully count as a 'music opinion', though?

no sadly, it's more of an "i love music opinion"

chords are bad

but cords are good, those should come back imho

Melody trumps harmony. Discuss.

You guys don't like I Love L.A.?

Feel like I get that vibe from pop fans that declare superiority over "lol indie".

However I have no examples just vague memories of comments here on ilx over the years.

Actually, what did that even mean? Maybe I just guessed.

Everyone on ILX declares superiority over "lol indie".

on this board, I Lol Indie

I honestly didn't know you could register here if you didn't lol indie

Melody trumps harmony. Discuss.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, July 27, 2021 2:49 PM (five minutes ago)

Is this an actual controversy? (genuine q)

i believe geir hongro wrote a dissertation on this, spread out across many posts

Pretty sure Geir was hot for harmony.

but let's not forget melody. melody too. both very important in music

somehow i read thousands of words on this, and i don't remember a single thing about it! seriously! it was time well spent

graduation is a really good album

Melody trumps harmony. Discuss.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, July 27, 2021 2:49 PM (five minutes ago)

Is this an actual controversy? (genuine q)

I would even go further and defend dismissing certain cultures as "fucking garbage" without that being compared to doing the same for an ethnic group. Difference in my mind being that a culture is something a person chooses to be a part of.

Not saying you're necessarily doing this, but this argument is used to support some really nasty stuff. (Unless you're talking about "toxic gaming culture" or something like that.)

Is this an actual controversy? (genuine q)

It was back during Rousseau's time (he legit argued melody is superior to harmony in hopes of pwning Rameau).

I just don’t really get the idea of qualitatively comparing them. playing notes one at a time is better than playing notes simultaneously? Uh ok

well this is way over my head lol

rhythm > melody > harmony >>>>>> this thread

Rousseau defined melody as a spontaneous, archaic outpouring that comes straight from the heart, and harmony as a post hoc academic construct that cannot but result in artificial compositions. At least it made sense to him.

Reading about Rousseau v. Rameau plus the Querelle des boufons, and I'm glad I didn't post my "there's no such thing as controversial music opinions" post

:D

Songs about ontology recapitulate songs about philogeny.

Not controversial enough imo.

lol I don’t agree with Rousseau necessarily but I see where he’s coming from

It's a good starting point if you're looking to deconstruct the classical Western harmonic system. Whether it applies to harmony altogether is a different story.

perhaps rousseau's aversion to harmony would've influenced him to echo pom's famous "pet sounds is bad" controp

I feel like if I could have gotten Rousseau high and played him The Byrds "Natural Harmony" the course of music history would have changed

make sure you don't accidentally play him "mind gardens" instead

Rosseau listening to soundgarden on headphones

Eddie Rosseau

you know what he'd really dig is "Tribal Gathering"

perhaps rousseau's aversion to harmony would've influenced him to echo pom's famous "pet sounds is bad" controp

Rousseau was the OG Fourth World dude.

learning how to play music sucks. out of tune is the new "in tune"

Tbf 'Red Dress' is still stuck in my head several days later.

Not everything's singing, you know.
The only important thing these days is rhythm and melody.

nope rhythm is not important.

do y'all even *read* Geir's posts

Is Geir a Rush fan?

Jejune lyrics, cloying melodies and insecure quasi castrato vox from Pleasantville

this is the standard line on the album at this point isn’t it, as in this is exactly what makes it so great

i can’t stand this dark side of suburbia type of shit. which it’s probably only an accidental example of anyway

lol if only (x2).