Rolling Stones: Classic or Dud

wait, what's this then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N52_8Ukuvcg

ahaha, okay, that was uploaded in 2020 and the "this isn't on YouTube" was from 2019

pretty sure they're miming to the original backing track, just Jagger's vocals are live.

― JoeStork

it's cool that they stick on mick for so long, because his part is real and what he's doing get soooooooo good. i guess the rolling stones = dangerous or evil thing is probably an old cliche at this point, but the 1968 version of jagger is still one of favorite people of all time. rolling stones as proto-punk, with jagger bringing the punk. dancing around unabashed as a tiny little skinny man and rubbing his stomach in front of a bunch of people in suits and ties watching david frost. even the other stones, in that performance, are just background furniture. they're not playing, they're miming. it makes jagger's performance even more cosmic, like he's the center of gravity in the midst of very dark energy

Mick going full Iggy there.

sympathy for the devil, street fighting man, jumpin jack flash for life. they all bring that energy for me

yeah, i was trying to figure out if that would pre-date iggy or not, like if they had run across each other at that point

Mick is def. the sort to have known about Iggy, he had his ear to the ground.

yeah, i see that an early version of the stooges was playing with mc5 in 1967, so maybe the same kind of cool people who knew about the velvet underground would know about the stooges? i don't know, to me it seems more likely that mick jagger was already an evil legend and iggy was a natural comrade

I have just been informed that Mick Jagger is 78 years old today

happy birthday to his belly button

XPS I don't think the Stooges were well known outside of Michigan until the summer of '69 (the s/t dropped the week of Woodstock, iirc). Jagger and Iggy both were well-aware of Jim Morrison, who was definitely eating Mick's lunch as a scary frontman at the time.

makes sense! i don't listen or watch the doors very often. i don't think of 1968 mick as scary so much as evil and very horny.

and dangerous. in that clip he really does constitute a threat to social order. the people watching aren't that affected, but how could you watch that on tv as a kid and not think "fuck yeah"

whereas with jim morrison i mainly get a horny and sweaty vibe, a shaman kind of druggy sermon. it's not scary to me either, but not evil either. sort of dangerous though, i guess!

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i don't know, i guess it's true! ok jim, you got me

hmmm I definitely get dark magic channeling satan vibes from the doors idk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Zzzt_r6wj8

Also though, the Stones weren’t even really a performing band in this timeframe. Between April ‘67 and November ‘69 they were off the road and just did a couple of one-off shows plus a few TV appearances such as this one. During that gap Iggy totally blossomed and Morrison honed his act.

just imagine tuning into Frosty & getting that performance blasted into your eyeballs through your tube tv w bonus Jagger midriff

Easily one of the best Stones performance clips I've ever seen, whether live or mimed. (And pretty much the invention of Primal Scream, fully formed, too.)

and dangerous. in that clip he really does constitute a threat to social order. the people watching aren't that affected, but how could you watch that on tv as a kid and not think "fuck yeah"
Can confirm. As a kid in the mid-nineties I somehow managed to have this classically Boomer formative experience where I wandered into my parents' room where our only TV was and saw an early clip of the Stones, I think doing "Satisfaction." And I was instantly riveted. I couldn't tell if I found Jagger attractive or repulsive; I knew I found him scary, but I couldn't take my eyes off him. At this point - I think I was eleven or so - I had watched the Beatles' Help and A Hard Days Night a million times, but this was clearly on another level: none of the Beatles' cuteness or charm or humor, just pure menacing sexual charisma. An unforgettable tv-watching experience, even thirty years or so after it was filmed.

That clip is great but not so flat-out scary as the one they did for Rock'n'Roll Circus, to me. I'm sure everyone has seen it, but at the end when he rips his shirt off and someone has drawn symbols all over his body, I gasped a little the first time I saw it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jwtyn-L-2gQ

ugh i love that clip

just imagine tuning into Frosty & getting that performance blasted into your eyeballs through your tube tv w bonus Jagger midriff

^^Reminds of that line Jerry Wexler had about the Stones wanting Aretha Franklin to cover "Sympathy..." but the only Atlantic artist he felt could handle those lyrics "was Burl Ives".

It was an even sicker burn:

They wanted Aretha to record it. The only artists on Atlantic who could record those lyrics are Sonny Bono and Burl Ives.

^^From the Stanley Booth book

yeah, that shot of john lennon losing it!!!!!!!!!!

re:ugh i love that clip

― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl)

Love that Stanley Booth book.

Yr Blues, Karl, Yr Blues.

I wanna see what John Betjeman and Nicol Williamson have to see about that performance.

Ha, was thinking the same thing.

lmao

Charlie has had a medical procedure, drops out of upcoming tour and will be replaced by Steve Jordan.

*prays furiously*

hey god we have not really been formally introduced but YOU MUST PROTECT CHARLIE AT ALL COSTS

amen

Sending all of the good vibes Charlie’s way. It took many, many years but I am so glad I finally got to see them live in 2019.

i have never ~cries~

Bubble Wrap being sent to the Watts residence rn.

I finally saw the Stones in 2018. Should've caught them in 2002 - by some accounts that was the last time you could have seen all of them in relatively "good" shape. As a guitarist, Keith was definitely a shadow of his former self. Charlie held it together perfectly but he really looked his age - it was like he conserved all his energy to play everything spot on, which he did, but he barely had a drop more in the tank.

Should've caught them in 2002 - by some accounts that was the last time you could have seen all of them in relatively "good" shape

I saw them in 97 and the highlight was an extended (I want to say like ten minutes) work out on "Miss You", it was maybe the only time the whole set when everyone in the band equally engaged during the same song

gosh i love this band. i saw both NJ shows in 2019. "lucky dip" tix both times, by some miracle. they rule. keith working within his limitations, he and ron wood sort of clairvoyant by this point. i don't mind the warhorses -- it's all good. just the stones being the stones. had lucky dips for charlotte too and it pained me to return them, but having 50,000 people breathing on me in this environment is crazy.

Only time I saw the Stones was on the Steel Wheels tour, ironically on the date of the 20th anniversary of Altamont (Hoosier Dome RIP). I saw no Hell's Angels but plenty of boomers telling me and my other teenage friends to sit down though during the show.

I've seen them two or three times, can't really remember, all I know is that it was pretty uneven, with one show being subtly better than the other, for whatever reason. Most of the band (with the exception of Bobby Keys) seemed sort of amused to even be there, or maybe they were just laughing at Mick working twice as hard as them for the same amount of money.

closest i came was seeing Shine A Light in IMAX

wrinkles so deep you could crawl into em
but it was still pretty great

Closest I ever came was seeing Cocksucker Blues projected eight years ago. When they last played Houston in '19 I helped DJ a marathon fan afterparty spinning Stones and other deep cut '60s/'70s Rock at a rootsy dive bar. I say afterparty, but we actually started a bit before the show for the ticketless masses. A ton of people showed up after the concert and everything leveled-up from there; we kept going for at least 30 minutes after last call and were very nearly thrown out by the bouncers at the end.

MoMA projected nearly every single Stones-related film for their 50th anniversary (with the exception of the narrative films they acted in, though they did screen Performance). The live performances in Charlie Is My Darling, Rock & Roll Circus, Gimme Shelter (before it all went to hell) and Ladies & Gentlemen... were flat out awesome on the big screen, and they kind of drove home the point that no Stones show is going to recapture their '60s/early '70s glory, it's just impossible. Everything about those performances were so good, and for different reasons because the culture was changing so fast. One thing I remember fromCharlie Is My Darling is never questioning why the Stones played such short sets back in the day - with the fans storming the stages, they were lucky to get through one song much less eight or nine.

(no Stones show today that is)

I forgot that saw Charlie Is... way the hell back at the old Alamo Drafthouse in Austin. They were doing a Peter Whitehead series and it got stuck on unannounced to a program of his Rock promo films. Quite the surprise, as it still was a few years before it received an official release.

And yes, judging on the footage there and the Royal Albert Hall stuff in the clip for "Have You Seen Your Mother...", it's a wonder they got out of those shows alive.

Here's an excerpt from the HYSYM clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3IRBeRlAKo

The whole thing isn't up right now.

Saw the Stones in fall of 2019. A very last-minute decision, they were in town and on the day of the show I thought "what the hell" and got tickets for me and my mom. She mostly knows the big, pre-Exile hits, so she had a wonderful time. For me, it wasn't a transcendent concert experience or anything but I was still glad to get to see them for real. I was very charmed by Ronnie Wood in particular - he came across very cheerful and present in a low-key way, just a guy in a band who likes his bandmates and is happy to be there. I felt like he would have had the exact same vibe playing at a bar on a Friday night.

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