"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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have polls been reweighted to reflect how many people have died in the last year?

plax (ico), Monday, 26 July 2021 20:13 (two years ago) link

serious question

plax (ico), Monday, 26 July 2021 20:13 (two years ago) link

i mean it does always seem like the pollers wait until an election cycle proves them wrong before they think about whether or not the weighting approach still makes sense. not that i think labour are being done a rotten one by the pollers or anything.

plax (ico), Monday, 26 July 2021 20:16 (two years ago) link

it has been disproportionately killing ethnic minorities, disabled people, poor people and old people so it will hurt the tories more than Starmer Labour perhaps.

MoMsnet (calzino), Monday, 26 July 2021 21:08 (two years ago) link

It's what I was talking about Dodds, but the soft left are, well, soft.

(4)AFAICT the last Frontbencher to make noises about increasing SSP above £95 a week was then-Shadow Chancellor Anneliese Dodds . But soft-left Dodds got sacked, so abandoning SSP increases looks like part of Starmer's latest lurch right https://t.co/NyUL7ljGb4

— Solomon Hughes (@SolHughesWriter) July 27, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 09:03 (two years ago) link

at least get sacked/demoted for taking a principled stance, but it was more like Kieth decided to make her a scapegoat for how useless he is.

MoMsnet (calzino), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 09:18 (two years ago) link

I dread to think what Reeves position on benefits system reform is these days. Kieth wants to make the UK "the best country to work in" which might be a nice thought, but millions in precarious employment/zero hours contracts need radical reform rather than empty platitudes made not to frighten the horses too much.

MoMsnet (calzino), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 09:45 (two years ago) link

we're so fucked aren't we pic.twitter.com/rH1PqWQLt0

— aaЯjan (@aarjanistan) July 27, 2021

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 15:31 (two years ago) link

🚨 | NEW: The GMB Union has withdrawn funding for the Labour Party in London

— Bywire News™ (@bywirenews) July 27, 2021

nashwan, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 15:49 (two years ago) link

wow they've actually done it

MoMsnet (calzino), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 15:58 (two years ago) link

oh that just withdrawn finding from London Labour?

MoMsnet (calzino), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 15:59 (two years ago) link

What is that reasoning? Does sound like a simple reinstatement of a job would result in funds being released

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 17:06 (two years ago) link

Over 100 dead from covid today :-(

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link

So Keir will make Britain the best place to work - unless you work for @UKLabour He has made 90 staff redundant. But is also recruiting workers on insecure temporary contracts with worse employment conditions #FutureOfWork https://t.co/3CbUeEKuCY

— Diane Abbott MP (@HackneyAbbott) July 28, 2021

Suit the action to the word, the word to the action you fucking arsehole.

MoMsnet (calzino), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 08:41 (two years ago) link

"Angela Rayner, are you against zero hours contracts?"

"We're against exploitation of them."

yeah those non-exploitive zero hour contracts are absolutely fine, Angela. I can do my p/t Yoga instructor gig and still have plenty time of time for wild swimming.

MoMsnet (calzino), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 08:52 (two years ago) link

🤦🤦🤦

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 09:21 (two years ago) link

In my fucking veins

Royal National Lifeboat Institution (RNLI) are being attacked for saving migrant lives

Inhumanity of people like Nigel Farage knows no bounds

Worth remembering: Enemy of the Working Class Travels by Private Jet not Migrant Dinghy

Farage travels by Private Jet btw @ZarahSultana pic.twitter.com/2eFlgzbDFQ

— Double Down News (@DoubleDownNews) July 28, 2021

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 21:50 (two years ago) link

I think the odds on Zarah ever melting are roughly 9 million to one.

MoMsnet (calzino), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 22:52 (two years ago) link

Shadow minister Jess Phillips has said Labour staff "don’t want to be used as some sort of tool in an argument" in response to the suggestion that the party should 'get its own house in order' before putting forward employment rights policies

Commenting on Times Radio today, Jess Phillips said: “Funnily enough, before doing the morning round, I speak to Labour staff about the lines of the day. What was clear to them is that they don’t want to be used as some sort of tool in an argument going on between the Labour Party, so I would just stress that."

good to know it was quite clear to them what the staff are supposed to think about Labour hypocrisy and the fire/rehire tactics used to make them more job insecure and poorer and put other colleagues on the dole.

calzino, Thursday, 29 July 2021 10:51 (two years ago) link

Well, tbf, they were asked if they liked the contract before they signed it...

Mark G, Thursday, 29 July 2021 11:06 (two years ago) link

The chief executive of a North Sea oil company has said the climate emergency is “fake” in now deleted tweets from his personal account, despite his company’s claims it is working towards a net zero carbon emissions target, Channel 4 News can reveal.

— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) July 29, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 29 July 2021 20:30 (two years ago) link

big story about shell and the science museum and gagging orders as well.

koogs, Thursday, 29 July 2021 21:43 (two years ago) link

Exclusive: The Science Museum has signed a gagging clause in its agreement with Shell International to sponsor its climate change exhibition, agreeing to take care not to say anything that could damage the company’s reputation, Channel 4 News has learnt.

— Channel 4 News (@Channel4News) July 29, 2021

koogs, Thursday, 29 July 2021 21:44 (two years ago) link

science

plax (ico), Friday, 30 July 2021 06:44 (two years ago) link

alternative facts! It's like having a dinosaur exhibition sponsored/gagging ordered by some creationist organisation.

calzino, Friday, 30 July 2021 07:34 (two years ago) link

The DUP, for instance.

Soundtracked by an eco jazz mixtape. (Tom D.), Friday, 30 July 2021 08:50 (two years ago) link

My comfort read
The 2017 and 2019 Labour party manifestos; never give in, never give in, never, never, never, never.

David Peace of Ossett - Huddersfield Town fan and not a melt!

calzino, Friday, 30 July 2021 10:48 (two years ago) link

of the course the Graun headline is "old Labour manifestos because 2017 + 19 never happened ... cunts!

calzino, Friday, 30 July 2021 10:50 (two years ago) link

lol Tweets very much in prose character

i wish i had cuck feet (Noodle Vague), Friday, 30 July 2021 10:51 (two years ago) link

it's from a Graun "what you reading" type q+a and that last answer gives me the impression he isn't a fan of Kieth.

calzino, Friday, 30 July 2021 10:55 (two years ago) link

I've forgiven him for the time he diplomatically said " a draw would be a good result" when he was plugging his L66d6 Utd book!

calzino, Friday, 30 July 2021 10:57 (two years ago) link

lol that's a big forgive, before the days wehn Bielsa made them socially acceptable

i wish i had cuck feet (Noodle Vague), Friday, 30 July 2021 10:57 (two years ago) link

Damned Utd still possibly as close as we'll ever get to a great football novel

i wish i had cuck feet (Noodle Vague), Friday, 30 July 2021 10:59 (two years ago) link

oh it's really great, the film adaptation though was mediocre dross.

calzino, Friday, 30 July 2021 11:03 (two years ago) link

This is an excellent interview, such a bunch of weird cunts to concentrate on the Lab manifesto line.

https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2021/jul/30/david-peace-my-comfort-read-old-labour-party-manifestos?

I'll need to read the Akutagawa story sometime.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 30 July 2021 12:35 (two years ago) link

old = 2-4 years ago .. fucking wankers

calzino, Friday, 30 July 2021 12:43 (two years ago) link

tbh i think putting "old labour manifestos" in the headline is more good than bad: it's the "open for a surprise" type of headline, it reads a bit quirky, you click and read, you encounter a bunch of chewy names to open yr brane in unexpected directions (few of whom wd word in the same way: maybe auberon lol), and the final line is a zinger to clap back at some ppl's assumptions

tbh also i shd write up my grand thesis of the problem of headlines in the age of twitter clickbait, bcz the despised act of substitution -- headline content cynically erasing article content -- is simulteously a genuine phenomenon (which sub editors shd be much more bothered by) and a function of the agency not of authors* and not of sub-editors**, but of readers en masse declining to be coaxed by accurate headlines that don't need subsequent correction but only by those which rage-troll or pander to assumption-dopamine or somehow seem worth five mins of yr reading time bcz wonky enough to puzzle productively (the last is very easy to get wrong)

*all dead, as foucault teaches us
**underacknowledged legislators who are also underpaid under pressure overworked and lamost always almost out of time

mark s, Friday, 30 July 2021 14:13 (two years ago) link

page furniture is of course partially shaped by management ideology but it's also shaped just by panic abt falling revenues and diminishing clicks and how to turn these round

same double-shaping applies to how the question "what do ppl want to read" gets answered

mark s, Friday, 30 July 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link

"tbh i think putting "old labour manifestos" in the headline is more good than bad: it's the "open for a surprise" type of headline"

Yet to work with Chiles

xyzzzz__, Friday, 30 July 2021 14:24 (two years ago) link

chiles is also good not bad

mark s, Friday, 30 July 2021 14:27 (two years ago) link

You have gone too far (again)

xyzzzz__, Friday, 30 July 2021 14:28 (two years ago) link

as a frothing at the mouth brainwashed cultist I interpreted it as the habitual 2017 erasure thing that the graun often does!

calzino, Friday, 30 July 2021 14:32 (two years ago) link

Learned from that interview that there's a book abt UK govt mishandling of the corona crisis out already, fast work!

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 30 July 2021 14:56 (two years ago) link

but erasure only works if ppl don't click through (if you do then you read what peace actually means): if the aim is "non-click-thru" then "old labour manifestos" is being deployed to function as a turn-off -- which means that the sub editor secretly believes that "recent labour manifestos" is more interesting (to them personally or to the imagined readers)

either way it inverts the most hostile point being made in this thread

(this isn't so much a gotcha as me digging further into the puzzling professional dilemmas of click-bait headlining: which of various contradictory unthinking reactions are you attempting to stimulate?)

mark s, Friday, 30 July 2021 15:01 (two years ago) link

Damned Utd still possibly as close as we'll ever get to a great football novel

― i wish i had cuck feet (Noodle Vague), Friday, 30 July 2021 10:59 (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

JL Carr wants a word

imago, Friday, 30 July 2021 15:06 (two years ago) link

aye, good point. I guess erasure would have been dropping the pie(a)ce or putting some off-putting headline that makes him sound like a dull responder.

calzino, Friday, 30 July 2021 15:08 (two years ago) link

lol, reading Labour manifestos does probably sound dull to normal folk, but this is the book section.

calzino, Friday, 30 July 2021 15:15 (two years ago) link

Craig Murray, the former ambassador to Uzbekistan, is due to start prison time imminently after judges ruled his blog coverage of Salmond's trial could identify four complainers.

blimey. These days you get arrested and thrown in jail for being an annoying dickhead!

calzino, Friday, 30 July 2021 16:20 (two years ago) link

I was pleased & proud to provide a personal testimonial in court for Apsana. I did so because in my opinion this young woman has displayed an integrity, sincerity & dedication to upholding what is right, all the time I have known her. She is an excellent MP and a superb socialist https://t.co/d6zAROdK06

— John McDonnell MP (@johnmcdonnellMP) July 30, 2021

xyzzzz__, Friday, 30 July 2021 17:28 (two years ago) link

it sounds like someone did a horrible job on her there, it's way beyond just merely very stressful to have endure shit like this based on malicious false accusations. It can almost kill you.

calzino, Friday, 30 July 2021 17:36 (two years ago) link


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