I do overhear those discussions in the real world. A lot of people still wonder if a fully vaccinated person with asymptomatic COVID can infect other fully vaccinated people.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 July 2021 15:13 (two years ago) link
Good read (on that and other things)
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/07/anatomy-of-a-vaccine-breakthrough/619562/
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 July 2021 15:16 (two years ago) link
βOther thingsβ = overburdened castle metaphors π
― DJI, Monday, 26 July 2021 15:27 (two years ago) link
Hark, Sir DJI, and hold thy halberd.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 July 2021 15:46 (two years ago) link
i don't know why my post formatted that way
because you didn't read it before clicking "submit post"
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 26 July 2021 15:51 (two years ago) link
Got to read posts less, outdoor_miner
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 26 July 2021 15:57 (two years ago) link
helpful!
― scampos sacra fames (outdoor_miner), Monday, 26 July 2021 16:00 (two years ago) link
im beginning to think that the lead singer of the grateful shred might not be an expert at public health communication
― bezos did the dub (voodoo chili), Monday, 26 July 2021 16:14 (two years ago) link
the good news is that's clear from the UK that the "dynamics" of this wave, i.e. its duration, are not worse and perhaps slightly better than previous waves. 6-8 weeks to reach the peak of case count, and about 4 months, end to end.
so for the parts of the US that are most similar to the UK, i.e. parts where vaccination rate is around the US average or better and/or huge winter waves giving some "natural" immunity, we should see the same thing. so for example, i'm expecting the wave in LA county to peak in about 3-4 weeks.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 26 July 2021 16:16 (two years ago) link
new cases for UK reported today: 24,950
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Monday, 26 July 2021 16:17 (two years ago) link
xp ah, me otm (although i forgot schools reopen here right when i predict things will be peaking)
The CDC's ensemble of models also is calling for a US peak/plateau in ~3 weeks, so... fingers crossed https://t.co/UWzHdbMZWs— Ed MD (@notdred) July 26, 2021
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 26 July 2021 16:17 (two years ago) link
(colleges without vaccine mandates are a bigger problem than schools of course)
At the same time she's threatening possible restrictions if cases rise above 200 per day, Mayor Lori Lightfoot is moving forward with plans to bring 100,000 a day to Grant Park for Lollapalooza. https://t.co/AmNnPeU2YI— Gregory Pratt (@royalpratt) July 26, 2021
Starting to get the feeling that Lightfoot is setting it up so she can blame Lolla when cases rise and she brings back mitigation.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 July 2021 16:41 (two years ago) link
the states of california is one of the top 20 employers in the country, so this and big state schools is a start:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/california-to-require-proof-of-vaccination-for-state-workers/ar-AAMA0Q3
tough break for the NYPD though
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-nyc-covid-de-blasio-vaccinations-all-municipal-workers-20210726-lbkwacchcvhlbbi4yu3qvfcjnq-story.html
does anyone know if amazon, target, mcdonalds, etc. are doing the same thing? does the federal government have a policy yet?
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:02 (two years ago) link
My daughter's college, in the Southeast US is not mandating vaccination, citing peer institutions, which we found disappointing.
Subsequently they announced further details and are requiring vaccines for all "high risk activities," which includes working in food service, activities that require very close contact with others for an extended period of time, athletics, singing and playing music, athletics, etc. All non-vaccinated students will be required to wear masks, engage in social distancing, weekly testing (which they are required to pay for), and 2 week quarantine if exposed to anyone who tests positive.
Seems they are pushing as close to a vaccination mandate as they can without having a declared mandate.
― bulb after bulb, Monday, 26 July 2021 18:16 (two years ago) link
it's hard to read this thread now
it's all so absurd
― Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:23 (two years ago) link
does the federal government have a policy yet?
answering my own question: not a blanket policy (not yet?)
VA issues employee vaccine mandate for healthcare workers, first for a federal agency, NYT reports https://t.co/dbVVqOP9m4— Meg Tirrell (@megtirrell) July 26, 2021
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:30 (two years ago) link
In the 15 minutes since my post above they've sent an email updating their vaccination policy (citing Delta). Vaccinations will be mandatory "once a vaccine fully approved by the FDA becomes available."
― bulb after bulb, Monday, 26 July 2021 18:33 (two years ago) link
I have been skeptical that people actually care about the distinction between EUA and "approval" but maybe I was just wrong about this
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:37 (two years ago) link
i don't think anyone who is unvaccinated by choice cares about FDA approval in good faith, but people have made legal arguments related to it in court (where they have failed afaict). full FDA approval would at least cut those arguments off at the knees and avoid wasted time in court.
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:40 (two years ago) link
it's mostly concern trolling
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:41 (two years ago) link
but yes, FDA needs to just fuckin' do it. it would help
Agreed. A new wrinkle my wife saw on a Trumper relatives' FB feed essentially boiled down to: "it hasn't been fully approved because the FDA knows it's dangerous but hasn't figured out how to tell all the sheeple that they fucked up".
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 July 2021 18:45 (two years ago) link
btw Sturgis 2021 kicks off in two weeks!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 26 July 2021 19:33 (two years ago) link
Yup. My uncle and aunt (both unvaccinated) are heading up again this year. They managed to not catch anything last year (or, if they did, managed to get by without letting on to anyone), so I'm sure they are even less concerned this time.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 26 July 2021 19:35 (two years ago) link
Just so everyone is clear, employers and governments absolutely have the power to mandate vaccines. It's not some close legal issue and the EUA and FDA final approval does not change that.
This is just a matter of small "p" political will to be willing to take the blowback from those who would be angered by a mandate.
As caek alluded to, those truly opposed to vaccination will just move the goal posts once the final FDA approval is granted.
― Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Monday, 26 July 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link
because I'm willin' to be willin'
― Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Monday, 26 July 2021 19:49 (two years ago) link
PBKR, I need you and Ron DeSantis to have a couple beers together.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 26 July 2021 21:31 (two years ago) link
And put rat poison in Ron's
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Monday, 26 July 2021 21:51 (two years ago) link
Lol, I was about to say the exact same thing as Neanderthal before I saw his comment.
― Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Monday, 26 July 2021 22:30 (two years ago) link
:)
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 03:01 (two years ago) link
Nice
COVID vaccines are not perfect. But they are darn good, and keep you alive. Even with delta, alpha, gamma, kappa, lambda, etc. I'm following Malta (90% vaccinated) and the UK. Look how deaths have stayed low. Couple more weeks to be sure. #GetVaccinated pic.twitter.com/xTZQkf8ylh— Vincent Rajkumar (@VincentRK) July 30, 2021
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 30 July 2021 02:05 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1C6rFWfYMg
― Two Severins Clash (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 July 2021 02:33 (two years ago) link
My nonexistent sympathy level
https://apnews.com/article/health-coronavirus-pandemic-michael-brown-038c02dbc512e00b9e08aef98061b13d
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 July 2021 17:09 (two years ago) link
Two quotes from different paragraphs of the apnews article:
βI was strongly against getting the vaccine,β Barker said through labored breathing. βJust because weβre a strong conservative family.β
Patients have said they worried about vaccine side effects, or felt the vaccines were rushed out took quickly.
I suspect the first quote represents the reality of vaccine denialism and the second quote reflects the rationalizations people give for what they subconsciously understand is irrational thinking.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Friday, 30 July 2021 17:19 (two years ago) link
A similar story.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/us/covid-vaccine-hesitancy-regret.html
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 July 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link
And here: https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/07/28/phil-valentine-coronavirus-vaccine
Nashville radio talk show host Phil Valentine remains hospitalized in critical condition with COVID-19 more than two weeks after being admitted for the disease.
Valentine β who broadcasts on SuperTalk 99.7 WTN β was known for his COVID-19 vaccine skepticism.
... Now Phil Valentine wants people to know that he was wrong β and that he should have taken the vaccine. He wants others to reconsider their thoughts on vaccines.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 30 July 2021 18:14 (two years ago) link
The mood here in Knoxville has shifted dramatically in like just the past 4-5 days. Lots of medical offices have gone back to mandatory masks for everyone, regardless of vaxx status, and people are starting to cancel events again. Which sucks and is totally infuriating because if the unvaccinated half of the population would stop being idiots we'd be in way better shape.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 30 July 2021 18:16 (two years ago) link
if the unvaccinated half of the population would stop being idiots we'd be in way better shape
I have a nagging suspicion that we will be repeating this over and over throughout the remainder of 2021 (and into 2022???).
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Friday, 30 July 2021 18:34 (two years ago) link
This is the end of the thread. I suggest reading the whole thing.
Hearing ends. When court staff arrive at Goodwynβs home in coming days, if heβs not wearing mask, heβll be arrested and jailed, per judge. And goodwyn indicated he wonβt be wearing one. A Jan 6 defendant who is an anti-masker is facing prospect of jail pretrial— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) July 30, 2021
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 30 July 2021 18:48 (two years ago) link
Here on Sanibel in deep red Lee County things have changed. The main office and marina ar our cottages put up mandatory mask signs on their doors. The general store too. I've seen more masked employees and customers around the island yesterday and today than Sunday and Monday.
(For context: Sanibel had mandatory mask ordinances until the CDC announcement in May).
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 30 July 2021 18:53 (two years ago) link
nice
Walmart, the nation's biggest private employer, is requiring its headquarters and regional staff to be vaccinated by Oct. 4, in a move that might set the standard for corporate America to follow. https://t.co/r1WPETMmlr via @business— Matthew Boyle (@bizboyle) July 30, 2021
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Friday, 30 July 2021 19:24 (two years ago) link
oh hell yeah
― lukas, Friday, 30 July 2021 19:26 (two years ago) link
The vaccines are working. Of the 900 cases related to the Provincetown cluster, there have been no deaths, 7 hospitalizations, and the symptoms are largely mild. Our positivity peaked at 15% on 7/15 and was only 4.8% yesterday. The outbreak is contained and Provincetown is safe.— Alex Morse (@AlexBMorse) July 30, 2021
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 30 July 2021 19:28 (two years ago) link
legit stunned at the Walmart news
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 July 2021 19:43 (two years ago) link
but headquarters and regional staff, does 'regional staff' mean like....all employees or like, regional executives/managers?
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 July 2021 19:44 (two years ago) link
Why not their workers? All of them? Now that would be a major move especially in the South.If Hooters followed the same policy, and there are more Hooters restaurants in the South than you would imagine, the TWO of them would have a major impact.— Stuart O'Neill (@stuart_oneill) July 30, 2021
― rob, Friday, 30 July 2021 19:47 (two years ago) link
"Staff" is not a word usually dusted off for grocery checkers and warehouse workers.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Friday, 30 July 2021 20:02 (two years ago) link
yeah that was what prompted my question :/.
it's a step though I guess.
― making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Friday, 30 July 2021 20:50 (two years ago) link
Sanibel: where Minnesota goes on vacation.
― the thin blue lying (suzy), Saturday, 31 July 2021 13:42 (two years ago) link