"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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jfc did you really have to remind me of that stupid fucking nonsense?

― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 22 July 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Blame LJ

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 22 July 2021 14:43 (two years ago) link

(xp) amen to that, brother.

Soundtracked by an eco jazz mixtape. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 July 2021 14:58 (two years ago) link

"They could make a joke about the Werner Herzog penguin documentary"

^^^

quite a flipp-ant remark imo

MoMsnet (calzino), Thursday, 22 July 2021 15:13 (two years ago) link

Dawn Butler has been booted out of parliament for refusing to take back her reasonable assertion that Boris has repeatedly lied to the country. Respect ..Dawn and fuck 'em all!

MoMsnet (calzino), Thursday, 22 July 2021 15:38 (two years ago) link

love Dawn

Breaking:

Courageous Labour MP @DawnButlerBrent has just been told to leave the Chamber by Deputy Speaker for raising my film which public have sent to 27 MILLION VIEWS in protest at Prime Ministers rampant lying in Parliament & calling PM a lier

Thank you for your courage Dawn pic.twitter.com/9tmEQpOdO3

— Peter Stefanovic (@PeterStefanovi2) July 22, 2021

A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 22 July 2021 15:46 (two years ago) link

that deputy speaker is such a ghoul, string the lot of 'em up.

MoMsnet (calzino), Thursday, 22 July 2021 15:57 (two years ago) link

Starmer will be furious... with Dawn Butler.

Soundtracked by an eco jazz mixtape. (Tom D.), Thursday, 22 July 2021 16:13 (two years ago) link

Cases are down -8k today, be interesting to see if this is a trend going forward?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 22 July 2021 16:49 (two years ago) link

Dawn is a parliamentary colleague she served briefly with me when I chaired the children schools & families committee she isn’t Dennis Skinner.

— Barry Sheerman MP (@BarrySheerman) July 22, 2021

I'm sure Dawn will be quite relieved to be informed she isn't an 89 year old white man

MoMsnet (calzino), Thursday, 22 July 2021 21:10 (two years ago) link

"Dawn isn't a lefty but she's alright for one of them" don't send post Barry

MoMsnet (calzino), Thursday, 22 July 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link

ha, busted

Dennis Skinner: "a great friend and comrade"

Dawn Butler: "a colleague"

🤔

— Kieth Starmer is a spycop (@BP_Cena) July 22, 2021

A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 22 July 2021 21:27 (two years ago) link

I am a very serious Adele fan when will she launch her next album I feel in desperate need of her voice.

— Barry Sheerman MP (@BarrySheerman) July 22, 2021

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 22 July 2021 22:12 (two years ago) link

we all know if jess phillips had said this you'd have spaffed yourself into a cloud of bats

— Earth's Hottest Man (@coprespecter420) July 22, 2021

nearly choked on my coffee after seeing this reply to Rentaghoul. It is so blatant the way that black or asian MPs who have the temerity to speak up in Parliament get treated differently to white MPs. If that would have been Babs getting booted yesterday they'd have been encouraging her to mount a leadership challenge.

MoMsnet (calzino), Friday, 23 July 2021 08:34 (two years ago) link

booming thread here:

The government gave some staff in the NHS a pay rise yesterday, and then said that the cost must come out of existing NHS budgets. It refused a pay rise to the police. It’s as if they’re saying there is a shortage of money. There isn’t. A thread’s needed to explain that…..

— Richard Murphy (@RichardJMurphy) July 23, 2021

Tracer Hand, Friday, 23 July 2021 09:22 (two years ago) link

if there was a genuine opposition they'd be explaining real grown up economics to the population and have a vision of a country where nurses get paid properly and public services get adequate funding. What we have instead is the situation where a braindead Labour MP can use the May's magic money tree line and this is pretty much the direction the party is going in.

MoMsnet (calzino), Friday, 23 July 2021 09:31 (two years ago) link

they've reverted back to the 2010 mode of opposition where they are too scared to even challenge that fatuous nonsense that they spent too much and were in some way responsible for a global financial crisis and hence need to prove how *fiscally responsible* they can be.

MoMsnet (calzino), Friday, 23 July 2021 09:36 (two years ago) link

Weird they refused a pay rise for the police tbh.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 July 2021 09:39 (two years ago) link

This is far worse than 2010. The messaging is weird and confusing.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 July 2021 09:41 (two years ago) link

oh yeah it's much more incoherent and all over the bloody place than it was during Ed's leadership.

MoMsnet (calzino), Friday, 23 July 2021 09:43 (two years ago) link

At least Ed was kinda likeable.

Also they are spending way more time dealing with the membership when most ppl don't really care about that, so it's energy misspent. But they have even less ideas than 2010 so they are regressing even further.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 July 2021 09:45 (two years ago) link

I thought "message discipline" was supposed to be one of the stronger points of the Labour Right, since Mandelson became Kieth's de facto chief political adviser it seems to have got even worse.

MoMsnet (calzino), Friday, 23 July 2021 09:45 (two years ago) link

agree it's weird the Tories haven't started throwing money at the pigs yet

also, do Labour right policy wonks

a) not understand how government spending works
b) understand it but think it doesn't play well with red wall thickoes
c) understand it but are ideologically committed to neolib economics
d) understand it but think the big bucks are to be made from neolib sponsors
e) something darker stupider and more nihilistic probably involving pwning the Trots?

mogwai oh wai oh wai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 23 July 2021 09:46 (two years ago) link

Kieth: Labour need to stop talking to themselves.

then commits to endless purging and self-flagellating focus groups where he apologises to tory gammons for Labour not being racist enough for them

MoMsnet (calzino), Friday, 23 July 2021 09:48 (two years ago) link

agree it's weird the Tories haven't started throwing money at the pigs yet

prob waiting for them to become enough of a mess that they can pitch a privatized vigilante force instead

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 23 July 2021 09:48 (two years ago) link

maybe more to the point who is the economics guru in Kieth's cabal? at least Brown and EMil had economic thoughts albeit bad ones

mogwai oh wai oh wai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 23 July 2021 09:49 (two years ago) link

Would've thought it would Dodds, but her turn at Shadow chancellor was obviously difficult given the circumstances. She appears to be more of a background guru than senior politician anyway.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 23 July 2021 09:54 (two years ago) link

before she got pumped she always seemed to be attacking the tories in a bad and unconvincing way, like for their "cavalier spending" and such + she was repeating that line about New Labour spending too much. But we all know Reeves is a much more stronger conviction austerity hawk

MoMsnet (calzino), Friday, 23 July 2021 09:59 (two years ago) link

maybe so? I've never thought of her as offering any coherent theory tbh. i feel like the failure to think through and foreground Green New Deal has been the biggest political catastrophe Kieth has wrought, he'll fuck about with any stupid Radio 4 soundbite of the week rather than lay out a solid electoral offer that they can gather voters around and use to present themselves as recognisably different to the last 40 years worth of government

mogwai oh wai oh wai (Noodle Vague), Friday, 23 July 2021 10:03 (two years ago) link

I don't think they even want to offer anything because that involves doing politics, which is hard work and makes you unpopular with the bbc and the right wing press. They just want to steady the ship (i.e get shut of anyone to the left of Dawn Butler) and sit it out until the electorate turns against the tories. Not being in power isn't so bad when you get an £80k salary and still plenty of opportunities for grift.

MoMsnet (calzino), Friday, 23 July 2021 10:10 (two years ago) link

Looking forward to the howls of derision on this from the maxed out credit card Household Britain cartel

The government gave some staff in the NHS a pay rise yesterday, and then said that the cost must come out of existing NHS budgets. It refused a pay rise to the police. It’s as if they’re saying there is a shortage of money. There isn’t. A thread’s needed to explain that…..

— Richard Murphy (@RichardJMurphy) July 23, 2021

nashwan, Friday, 23 July 2021 10:15 (two years ago) link

lol didn't mean to embed it again

nashwan, Friday, 23 July 2021 10:20 (two years ago) link

CON 38% -6
LAB 34% +3
LD 9% +1
GRN 8% +2

latest yougov poll shows the dual benefits of Kieth going into self-isolation and his internet connection shitting out.

MoMsnet (calzino), Saturday, 24 July 2021 08:02 (two years ago) link

"as battle looms over tax rises"

🤔🤔🤔

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 24 July 2021 08:47 (two years ago) link

Never celebrate early

imago, Saturday, 24 July 2021 08:53 (two years ago) link

(but...let's see if this continues)

imago, Saturday, 24 July 2021 08:54 (two years ago) link

it's actually very decent polling for a mid-term tory govt that are knee deep in corpses/cronyism/corruption + have done just about everything badly apart from the vacc rollout

MoMsnet (calzino), Saturday, 24 July 2021 08:59 (two years ago) link

Never celebrate early

― imago, Saturday, 24 July 2021 bookmarkflaglink

(but...let's see if this continues)

― imago, Saturday, 24 July 2021 bookmarkflaglink

🙄🙄🙄

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 24 July 2021 09:07 (two years ago) link

the last Survation, who are much more reliable than YouGov had a significant drop as well. But the Murdoch press framing this as an effect of Sunak's DPT tax rises is probably very suspect .. I guess?

MoMsnet (calzino), Saturday, 24 July 2021 09:09 (two years ago) link

LJ thinks it's because ppl had enough of the Tories lol.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 24 July 2021 09:20 (two years ago) link

"Let's see if this continues"

Tories being ahead in opinion polls? Lol yeah that's going to continue alright

Only the stong survive (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 24 July 2021 10:09 (two years ago) link

the Spectator wanker's take on the radio just now was that Kieth might need some serious stagflation and a recession to do his work for him. If he wasn't such a lily-livered melt he could make some political capitol from a worsening haulage/production crisis that is 100% down to the UK govt's incompetent Brexit negging. But as the Spectator wanker said his style of opposition is mostly "agreeing with with everything the Tories do in a slightly disappointed voice". That's what Kieth has done to me - I keep agreeing with right-wing commentators takes on how shit he is.

MoMsnet (calzino), Saturday, 24 July 2021 10:54 (two years ago) link

I did say previously that the tories are soft pedalling against him until the election comes at which point they'll go harder.

Truth is, they won't even have to do that.

Mark G, Saturday, 24 July 2021 12:16 (two years ago) link

put money on con-lib dem coalition next parliament imo

glumdalclitch, Saturday, 24 July 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link

NEW: Sam White, who worked for Alistair Darling under Blair and Brown, to take over as Keir Starmer's chief of staff.

Completes New Lab reunion in his office: Matthew Doyle, Blair's frmr political director, director of comms. Deborah Mattinson, Brown's pollster, head of strategy

— Gabriel Pogrund (@Gabriel_Pogrund) July 24, 2021

glumdalclitch, Saturday, 24 July 2021 14:22 (two years ago) link

Looks like things can only get better

mogwai oh wai oh wai (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 24 July 2021 14:23 (two years ago) link

strong “3rd place playoff” energy

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 24 July 2021 14:57 (two years ago) link

This thread is really something:

Speaking at today's anti-vaccine, anti-lockdown rally in London's Trafalgar Square, former nurse Kate Shemirani - who was struck off in June - says Covid vaccines are "Satanic", citing "the pattern 060606". The graphine oxide single-molecule sheet "is a conductor", she adds. pic.twitter.com/t40TAHjnRd

— Shayan Sardarizadeh (@Shayan86) July 24, 2021

Their talking points are exactly the same as in other Western countries, but at least the UK's vaccine hesitancy rate is no higher than 13%, which is remarkable:

https://morningconsult.com/global-vaccine-tracking/

pomenitul, Sunday, 25 July 2021 10:01 (two years ago) link

I suspect Boris Johnson and the right wing of the Tory Party are secretly disappointed that the British population is so compliant and is not a bunch of freedom-loving mavericks and individualists after all. Having said that, they do think everyone else should do what they're told while they personally should be allowed to do what they like - that's Boris Johnson to a tee.

Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Sunday, 25 July 2021 10:15 (two years ago) link

According to press reports this morning 'Britain faces ‘decades of financial risk’ as £370bn pandemic bill mounts'. The headlines seem very familiar: they looks like debt paranoia. But is that true? A short thread....

— Richard Murphy (@RichardJMurphy) July 25, 2021

good thread here on the pro-austerity bullshit "ladening future generations with debt" narrative being spun by the govt, the opposition and our compliant media (including the Observer).

MoMsnet (calzino), Sunday, 25 July 2021 11:02 (two years ago) link

Former First Minister of Northern Ireland, Arlene Foster says she’s joining GB News ‘to bring Northern Ireland very much into the mainstream of UK politics’

jesus wept

MoMsnet (calzino), Sunday, 25 July 2021 12:01 (two years ago) link


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