ideal version of what happens after death

The quicktalking bit upthread that said endless reincarnation is the same as oblivion, i think we should all maybe just take a turn each out of our busy lives to disagree with that

i have to admit, i did read that and put my hand on my chin

"Hmm!" i thought

TY km, on point as usual

Who's next

If you have high cholesterol and go to heaven do u still gotta take statins

Hail statin

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

If you have high blood pressure when you arrive you book an appointment with Jesus-as-divine-healer. You only have to take statins until your appointment time arrives, several millennia hence. Try to arrive about 30 minutes early because there's paperwork to fill out and rescheduling for later is a bear.

So is the big twist here that, whatever you voted for, that's actually what happens to you?

I like to imagine that after I die I will stop getting 15 spam calls a day

You will start making 15 spam calls a day. Heaven is just a marketing scheme.

whatever you voted for, that's actually what happens to you?

and if you voted "other" whatever happens to you is decided by a very verbal four year old on a sugar rush, just for the lols

great, we're all destined for the Great Booger in the Nose Beyond

nuh uh, you're bart sikmpson

if you ask a 4 year old in 1991, i mean

i was 8 then. i knew 4-year-olds. i hadn't seen the simpsons, but i knew that if you were playing rock paper scissors, rock beats paper, paper beats scissors, scissors, beats paper, and bart simpson wins everything. also the bulldozer.

can't tell if this thread is about not reading the instructions or enormous levels of depression

Hail statin

vg

I've come to see reincarnation as a metaphor. As much as I dig the poetic idea of 'coming back as an ant', this is closer to something like the existentialist idea that you are essentially reborn with each second, giving us an astonishing amount of agency and power to put things right, minimise the amount of harm you do and to make (attempt to make) the correct decisions - in actions and morality.

In lieu of reincarnation I dig the notion of whatever life experience and knowledge and abilities I've accrued being divvied up and disseminated among those who can best make use of it. Kind of like willing all my books to a local library except granting my sikk whistling skillz to the whistle-deficient. Just like upload that shit to the cloud or whatever. You know, technology.

i know we should ask about what happens after death. hey squashed fly!

https://i.imgur.com/6T3SiSM.png

what's your ideal version of what happens after death?!

just place your hands to heaven and pray
that we'll be back together some day heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

*raise

Tonight I need your sweet caress
Hold me in the darkness
Tonight you cause my breastlessness
Do you believe my sandwich?

perhaps that fly is in insect heaven, drinking kool-aid all day long

If we dont remember past lives if we do reincarnate, then how is that practically any different to ceasing to exist?

I want to go on as a bodiless ball of energy/thoughts, interacting with all the other minds. Like the internt but without the pesky shit body cage weighing me down. I dont want to stop existing.

https://i.imgflip.com/2z9jkz.jpg

If we dont remember past lives if we do reincarnate, then how is that practically any different to ceasing to exist?

If you - Trayce - are at this moment a reincarnation of a previous life, are 'you' practically 'ceasing to exist'? This Trayce incarnation, with all its problems, crises, hopes and joys etc, feels different from just 'checking out'.

If this amorphous essence carries no recollection of the current me then i cant fathom the way in which it can be said to be me

The christian notion of a soul but divorced from my consciousness feels far less me than the actual me sitting here tbh

I guess it depends on the design of the 'ideal version' of what you wish happens after death. Do you want to build in some 'recollection' aspect of continuing consciousness etc.

what freaks my nut out is the thought that death can be thought of as like a giant comedy hammer smashing your brain to pieces - in the final microseconds, your cranial neurons are still firing, but they have been rent asunder, separated - what then is the moment of death, what is the consciousness, what state is it in, how can it be preserved intact, what is the point of system restore, etc

which makes me think 'ghost' is still the best answer, because a ghost is an echo of a self at a certain stage of life before death, an echo of the living consciousness and not the one whose neurons are being smashed apart by a hammer

quite fancy lunch now

Reincarnation - ideal version design options

(i) no continuing essence or 'soul' during incarnations

(ii) continuing essence or soul
Option A: constant awareness of continuing essence or soul
Option B: intermittent awareness of continuing essence e.g. at death/between incarnations

Design question: Is the continuing essence on some kind of journey with an aim in mind (e.g. undertaking incarnations with the aim of learning something,?) or are incarnations random or selected with any purposes.

It gets complicated very quickly.

(x post)

Who is it that quite fancies lunch: is it your soul, your present incarnation, or an karmic development resulting from decisions and actions made in your previous incarnation?

The divine fancies lunch, with me as vessel, obvs

The thought of final micro-seconds of death also freaks my nut, in that I irrationally and phobicly can't help envisaging it as feeling subjectively like an eternity of time (similar to the experience of time slowing down in a severe accident).

The afterlife as an eternal perception of one's dying moment eh

Zeno's paradox as applied to consciousness, your final second slowed down and stretching into infinity

More an adaptation of the black hole approach

Before you fuse with the singularity, an endless instant of pure agony

Or pure bliss!

was listening to an expert speak on the topic (on radio 4) the other week and it turns out the time-slowing-down thing is a trick of the memory rather than something experienced in the moment, they had an experiment with having people watch rapidly flickering displays and suddenly starting a bungee jump.

when I was a child, I imagined that when you die you get handed a set of trading cards that collect all the key moments of your life

and then you try to collect other people's better key moments

trade you one 'having a child' for that 'built a pagoda'

Hanging around the pearly gates waiting to scam new arrivals out of their rares.

HOT STAMPERS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd4rgyZzseY

04.45 minutes onwards

...I remember that afternoon, not as so many minutes spent in my drawing room interrupted by these strange excursions in time, but as years and years of heavenly bliss interrupted by short periods in my drawing room

i'm getting to thinking that genuine belief in heaven/hell is psychotic and drives a lot of evil behaviors

Well yeah tbh

absolutely it does