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Doh! Ignore that post. Here it is again, properly:

[Scotty990] Hey SennaS
[SennaS] yeah
[Scotty990] is that ur last name?
[SennaS] nah its for A Senna I'm a big fan
[Scotty990] oh
*extended pause in conversation*
[SennaS] he's dead
[Scotty990] yeah
[SennaS] very
*extended pause in conversation*
[SennaS] i named my son after him... so he lives on...
[Scotty990] just dont let him take any sharp bends :)
[SennaS] it's ok... he's blind...

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 24 August 2006 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
I love that post gooblar :)

Update time y'all!

I have started playing mostly £50NL (roughly equivalent financially to $100NL, though I am pretty sure $100 is trickier) and am owning it so far, which is nice since my last experiment at moving up cost me a little over $800.

Since I moved sites at the start of September I have managed to make almost $2,000 which is EASILY my most successful period - it's probably taken me 12k or so hands to do it.

I am playing almost exclusively 6max cash games nowadays with the occasional SNG (and the very occasional MTT) thrown in for fun. I get in maybe 12-15 hours play a week 3- or 4-tabling.

If anyone is interested I have a poker blog on the excellent Flopturnriver.com. Say hi if you get a chance to read it.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:01 (seventeen years ago) link

My country has decided to do some banny-banning on online poker fun (booo), so I'm taking a temporary siesta until either A) the ban is lifted or B) I feel like spitting in the face of some G-men. Sucks, too - this year, I've made a NICE chunk of change (which I just spent on a new TV & some bedroom furniture).

If you go to PokerShark.com (or whatever that tourney-tracking site is) and search for 'sinnermann' on the PokerRoom network, you can bask in my awesomeness.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:38 (seventeen years ago) link

judging from yr blog the £50 refers to the min buy in, no? what's that £.50/£1? i was gonna say £25/£50 - that's a serious game dude! anyway well done regardless.

i played 3 $24+2 multi's in the last few days, came in 14th in one with 600+ and 12th in a 500+. won like a hundred in each - so annoyingly close to the real money (and in the second one i was in 1st w/25 to go). won $900 for fourth a couple weeks ago. used to be more into s&g's but i'm getting my multi game together now. which makes a lot of sense since i've actually won way more from multi's, even though i've played them less.

in the one i didn't cash i got wounded early (and knocked out soon after) when i limped w/aces from 1st position and one of the many callers caught a boat on the flop. of course then the chat window lights up with that's why you don't slow play aces - yeah - u suck - (various simple minded treatises on poker strategy follow) and i'm all because someone catches a boat every time? i try not to be annoyed at these dumbasses, but gdamn!

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:40 (seventeen years ago) link

david - netteller deposits to fulltilt still work fine - and i'm sure many other setups do to. also the ban is on us banks making transfers to gambling sites - so ur not actually culpable.

also those pokershark stats - totally not accurate. or maybe they just don't go back v far or something.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, I like MTT's a LOT more than S&Gs. I like the narrative flow & shit. Also, I get some sort of perverse thrill seeing some idiot donk catch all his hands early on, and then lose all his chips trying that same shit right before the bubble. The fact that I've had a ridiculous run of luck (or skill) in them of late might have something to do w/ it, tho.

Yeah, I don't know how far back PokerShark goes, but my stats are pretty accurate (except for one or two rebuy MTTs - they only track the initial buyin). Of course, I've only been 'sinnermann' for a few months, so that's probably why.

Hey, I use Neteller, too! So that means that doing the bank-to-Neteller-to-site handjive is still legal?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

jhoshea OTM. And yes, bank-to-Neteller is still fine. David, you can play at any of the sites who are still accepting US players - Pokerstars (though I am not a fan) now has the biggest userbase in history, with 105,000 players online the other night! It is possible that, after the 270-day period during which the lawmakers set up the rules which will govern the new legislation, playing online might become much trickier, but until then (i.e. until July 2007) you can play to your heart's content at Stars, Full Tilt (where I have recently signed up - say hello if you come across SandInMyVagina) and several of the smaller sites.

Whatever you do, though, be CERTAIN to make sure you get rakeback before you sign up. Email me if you want to be shown how (Stars don't offer rakeback but Full Tilt and most of the other sites do).

Personally, I prefer playing at the sites which offer £ tables as I think they're better value, and Sun Poker (my current main site - I am Zerbombt there) has the lovely Cryptologic bonus structure that I used to praise at Interpoker, who changed their requirements, boo.

Oh - and £50NL means £0.25/£0.50 blinds, so pretty low level. it's roughly equivalent to $0.50/$1.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:51 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i deposited the full $600 when i signed up for fulltilt and $20 bonuses are still popping up every so often (although i think my time's about to run out).

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 12:57 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't bothered for a while cos of summer and the funness of outdoors.

might play again soon though. um, and when i get my credit card back from the bank. although i still have a load of money in pokerroom.

xxxxpost haha i thought mark meant £50 bb too!!

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Ken, you should get a Neteller account if you don't have one already - very easy to set up (though it does take a few days) and makes transfer totally easy.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:10 (seventeen years ago) link

neteller will still need my credit card somehow though right? or do they do some scary direct debit thing?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Scary direct debit ahoy!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i haven't deposited since the new law but i've heard that netteller is more expensive than the no longer working firepay - which kinda sux. i wonder if there's a cheaper option?

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm sure it was free when i just used my credit card?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Neteller transfers to and from Poker sites are free, and cost me the grand total of £1 (or $1) when I cashed £1,500 back into my bank account.

My understanding is that Neteller is a good deal cheaper than firepay. Check their website for details.

The problem with using credit cards is that you have to withdraw onto the credit card, at least a certain proportion of your winnings. Of course this doesn't need to be a problem, it's up to you. Americans of course can't use their credit cards on poker sites because the card providers don't allow payments to gambling businesses.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Is there an extant poker site with a Java client that'll accept US players? That was always the thing I liked best about Pacific (which was otherwise way too fishy) - the ability to pad my bankroll when I was bored at work.

Likewise, if you're using a Mac, you're pretty much limited to Full Tilt at this point, right?

govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Canbet seems to be a US-friendly site with Java - it's on Boss so no Pokertracker support but lots of nice fish.

But yeah, I'd def go with Full Tilt if I had a Mac - they're pretty much the no. 2 after Stars now, they have the most impressive celeb affiliations (good for attracting fish - why don't you like fish, btw?), and they're the fastest-growing site I believe.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:25 (seventeen years ago) link

guess i heard wrong abt netteller.

fulltilt has my endorsement: 9 handed tables, good blind structures, nice feel, funny avatars. being a mac user i've only ever played @ pokerroom and pacific, which are both wicked retarded.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

But but you WANT to play against bad players, right?

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah of course - i wasn't saying the players of the other sites were more retarded - just that the setups up those sites sucked (10 handed tables, no antes in later tourney stages etc). i have a hard time believing there's too much variation in fish content between sites, seems like it would be self-correcting.

(not sure if you were actually taking to me)

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I was talking to you :)

I used to prefer 10-handed to 9-handed and I still do in SNGs - the way I see it (because I see myself as one of the better players at the table) is that the 10th man will be a net donator to my prize pool and therefore I want him in.

But in cash games I am pretty much totally converted to 6max. Same winrate - actually I'm running better at 6max - but 50% more hands - it's easy to see how much more profitable it is. Also, you actually play more poker, which is more fun and much more educational - it's not the nut-camping grind you get at 9- and 10-handed tables.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

I love taking money from fish, and two or three per table (which there always seemed to be in every $10 buy-in Pacific sit-and-go, which was an incredibly reliable way to make money) are always good for everybody, but I can only deal with so high of a flop percentage before I start going insane.

I had a couple of almost unbelievably bad beats on Pacific before the ban; the worst was losing with AA (and trips on the A-8-2 flop!) to 7-2 offsuit, when some genius decided to call my pre-flop raise and my post-flop raise with his pair of twos and got 7-2 on the turn and river. There's just no accounting for people like that.

govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I'm remembering that wrong, since under that scenario I would have won. Regardless, I lost with AA to something totally fucking ridiculous, and I guess you can chalk up my faulty memory to PTSS or something.

govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I am on Full Tilt! Literally! Because I had my AK and KK "broken" by the same guy w/ AA! Yay bad luck!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

And again! Awesome!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 26 October 2006 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Hi dere,

I was off sick yesterday and played a little bit of poker and managed to fluke my best day ever! Up $440 or so in under 600 hands, thanks to an SNG win and some good times at $50 and £50NL 6max.

Highlight was hitting the nut straight on the turn and pushing all-in over a guy re-raising with a set - hello $280 pot! What might have been the highlight, but for a tremendous laydown on the villain's part, was my last hand - AA, hit a set on the turn (which also brought three to the flush), bet 3/4 of what was already a massive pot and a guy with a lower (flopped) set managed to find a fold. Considering we both had 3 x buyins at this point, I was looking at a $570 pot if he'd been a tiny bit braver/more foolhardy.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I am down $360 since joining FullTilt. THANKS MARK.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

But you got rakeback, right? Please tell me you have rakeback? I made $222 in Otcober through rakeback alone. Which was nice.

p.s. why does my firefox no longer recognise the poundsign? Do I have to start writing GBP from now on?

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I have rakeback, yeah, but I think the sign-in bonus I'm working on is deducting from the rakeback.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...
David and I went to Foxwoods Sunday. The $1/$2 NL tables there are really an experience; I never thought I'd see top pair take down a gigantic pot with multiple 20xBB pre-flop calls, but it happened at least a dozen times.

Lowlight: QQ against Bluffin' Grandma, a genuinely terrible player who's gone all-in with garbage twice in the past five minutes and donked away about $300 in a half-hour. I raised to $12 pre-flop, three callers, check-raise to $20 post-flop (7-4-2, two diamonds), and everybody folds but Grandma, who immediately goes all-in on the Kc turn. No way she's got that king - I'm thinking A7d at best - so I call her, scare card be damned. Turns out Grandma's been slow-playing aces, and I wave goodbye to a day's work.

I'll let David tell the story of how he got his kings cracked, which is one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen in a poker game.

govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, you mean the KK I raise to $20-25, got one caller (from a kinda loose, kinda shitty, very large-stacked player that was catching lots of cards after catching nothing), and played all in on a 235 two-to-the-flush flop? And she turns over A4 offsuit? Yeah, I took a walk after that.

The Rest Of The Story: after Daniel & I lick our wounds @ the buffet, we both decide to give it another go. This was around 6:30 - 7 PM. I cash in the remaining $200 I earmarked as Fun Money, & sit down @ another table. Dan & his buddy stop by a few hours later (where I hear about the QQ story), and I'm down another $100+, making my losses on the day a little more than $400. This included some shitwit chasing a flush & gutshot straight w/ (I think) A4 suited, despite me doing my best to bet him out. And said dude, of course, catches the STRAIGHT FLUSH on the river.

By the time I left (@ 5 AM), I was up $450. Doi. I actually blogged about it in a general-audience style (because what else am I gonna do after playing poker for 14 hours?), but the short of it: drunk Patriots fans that don't know when to bail out are the best guys to play against.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, I'm thinking that the shitwit was chasing the flush / straight w/ 35 or 25, because I had AJ, and I paired the A on the flop. And it wasn't even that the dude caught - he was playing footloose & fancy free all night. It was the fact that the dude acted like he had me over a barrel, when he actually only had 13 outs, and the river bailed his stupid ass out.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

there's a game in nyc on the 27th. yall should come, yo.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Yo, I'm there. Gives me a chance to lose the money I won this weekend against folks that aren't HOLY SHIT BRAH THE PATS WON.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

wish i had made the foxwoods trip. i haven't played casino poker in well over a year. just recently started playing at all again (up $2k so far this year).

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost -

I believe I'm thinking of another bad KK beat (which doesn't seem totally out of the question, given how badly the first few hours at that table went for you). The guy you faced up (and I remember it being somebody else across the table sitting in the Raving Maniac seat, not her) was playing A6s with two spades on the flop and caught his ace on the turn and then his spade on the river, effectively beating you twice. No idea why he called your raise in the first place.

NB: I oughta point out that for every time I couldn't fold top two pair against a totally obvious flush draw or called a $30 raise to chase an eight-outer, there was the time I beat aforementioned maniac on a nut flush or rode AK to megabucks against some meathead; I only finished down $150 for the day, which isn't a huge amount of money by any means. I just wish we didn't have to leave so early to drive back, since by the sounds of it, it got as loose after the Pats game as I figured it would.

Nice comeback, though that dude's AQ story is the fishiest thing ever.

I'll see what I can do about the NYC game. We should definitely put together a bigger Foxwoods group next time.

govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 16:59 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, yeah, THAT KK beat. That was against Ye Olde Manne what couldn't be bothered to pay attention half the time, and folding more often than not, suddenly having his Viagkra kick in after getting AT (I think) suited, and flopping 2 more suited cards (no pair) and calling my $60-70ish AI, then, yeah, beating me two times.

Folks love them flush draws, especially if they have an A, regardless of how shit the kicker is. Folks just love playing hands, really - whether it has something to do w/ the mystique of the World Series & wanting to be the devil-may-care 37 maverick, or just wanting to gamble, it seems like a lot of folks just like throwing their shit around @ the lower stakes tables. I'd probably cry & piss myself if I sat down @ a high stakes table right now.

And, to be fair, DC, my streak happened around 2 AM, so it was well after the Pats game. Right after last call, I think. COINCIDENCE?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey everyone,

More tales like the above please! It makes online poker look like the glorified masturbation it really is.

But... it's glorified masturbation that's made me $10,000!! I did my sums the other night and worked out that between bonuses, rakeback and poker profits, Sunday night's play took me into 5 figure winnings. Man that felt good :)

I guess I owe Chris V half my winnings a hearty vote of thanks for getting me started - if he hadn't posted the opening post to this very thread I might never have given it a go :)

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:32 (seventeen years ago) link

I gotta give this a go. Only played no-money lunchtime games so I'm not expecting to rake it in but should be fun to try out. Where should I start - sites, games, etc?

ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I gotta give this a go. Only played no-money lunchtime games so I'm not expecting to rake it in but should be fun to try out. Where should I start - sites, games, etc?

Seconding this request.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Tom, Chris - add me to your buddy lists on AIM (markelby) or MSN (boyincorduroy@yahoo.c o m) any time. I'm probably not in tonight, or at least not till after 11pm GMT, but I have AIM on during the work day too. Or you could just email me.

First thing you can do - register with Partypoker.com or pokerstars.com and start playing the play money games and reading the small tutorials if they'd be useful. The games'll be silly but you'll get a hang of the interface etc. If you sign up for Pokerstars (currently the biggest, most highly regarded site) and there's somewhere you can say that someone referred you, please tell them efil4elbmow sent you :)

If you can afford $50 or so, then deposit that and play the lowest buyin real money games - $0.01/$0.02 no-limit at Stars (double at Party), where it'd be hard to lose more than $10 even if you played blindfolded. It's a lot better than the play money tables because even when such tiny sums are at stake, people care about the outcome - when the chips are pretend, they could just push with every hand.

Anyway - AIM/MSN me when I'm next on and we can chat more. I have LOTS of stuff to tell you!

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

Final post of the day - I'm going to go through this thread, find the names of everyone who expressed an interest - might be as many as 20 people, most of whom still post here - and try and get another private game together. I might be able to set up a private tourney which would be rad, as long as enough people are interested. And anyone who hasn't posted to this thread before but might be intrigued - just say hi!

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

God damn - I posted a SLEW of crap, and some brainfart in the ILX hivemind ate the post & told me I typed NOTHING. Grrrrrrrrr.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Online, only a few sites are allowing US players to play for cash money (THANK YOU MR. BUSH) - FullTiltPoker is one of them, & it's the dealer of choice for both me & Mr. C0h3n. They offer both pay & play games, sit-down cash games and tournaments, o

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:42 (seventeen years ago) link

HAY THERE IT IS

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd be in for an online game!

Si.C@rter (SiC@rter), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm definitely interested in an ilxor game, but bear in mind that US players' options are really limited right now, due to anti-gambling legislation. (xpost- what David said)

http://www.flopturnriver.com/US-Friendly-Poker-Rooms.php

It might be wise to cross-reference with this list, and also to consider that Full Tilt is basically the only solution for US Mac users at this point; Bodog stopped development of their Mac client last month, and Pokerroom no longer accepts US bets.

govern yourself accordingly (dayan), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, sorry I forgot about the new US issues. Full Tilt it is then, though if anyone who hasn't signed up there is serious about playing a decent amount in the future, then you should go to rakerebate.net and follow their signup instructions. This will save you 27% of the rake you'd otherwise be paying - and when you bear in mind my rake this month alone is already $397, it could form a significant part of your winnings.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha - my post lost to the ether suggested RakeTheRake for FTP, which also offers 27%. I had 30% from Hollywood Poker, but, alas, they're part of the PokerRoom network, which hates fun & America.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes, I also use RaketheRake and they're very good. 27% is the most you can get with Full Tilt, apparently.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 23:28 (seventeen years ago) link


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