Awesome Audiophile Snake Oil

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is it sad that I recently moved to an Apple phone with no headphone jack and began a search for a lightning-connected headphone DAC, and then felt disappointed when the $10 Apple one turned out to be awesome?

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 16 July 2021 02:07 (two years ago) link

Big black yoga blocks under my JBL studio monitors on these speaker stands I made with spare wood we had sitting around with my Dad years back are the shit.

earlnash, Friday, 16 July 2021 03:01 (two years ago) link

Yeah, Chord Co and Chord are different companies. Chord make massively overengineered slabs of hardware (amp, DAC, etc) and Chord Co make wires and accessories.

Michael Jones, Friday, 16 July 2021 14:54 (two years ago) link

my friend shipped his tube amp to some guy to have all the capacitors replaced and a new tube installed and apparently the guy orders some ridiculous artisanal capacitors from somewhere in europe and, uses, like, soviet era tubes

I look forward to hearing it when it returns

mh, Friday, 16 July 2021 17:07 (two years ago) link

nice

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Friday, 16 July 2021 17:18 (two years ago) link

I wouldn't expect too much unless there was a problem before, which is very possible if it is 30 years old.

Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Saturday, 17 July 2021 01:46 (two years ago) link

probably closer to 50 - 60

mh, Monday, 19 July 2021 20:54 (two years ago) link

I checked in, it’s a Sherwood S-5000 from 1959

mh, Monday, 19 July 2021 20:58 (two years ago) link

Cool amp!

I've never heard of them, but apparently they are pretty well-regarded and popular renovation projects.

If the capacitors have never been replaced, I would anticipate it's gonna sound better or at least prevent any issues from developing. Old capacitors can go bad and leak, causing damage to other electrical parts.

I had to replace them in my 30 yo Audio Research tube pre-amp because it developed a pretty noticeable buzz.

Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Monday, 19 July 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

that shit is such bullshit that i am legitimately angry that it's a thing.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Thursday, 26 August 2021 14:52 (two years ago) link

Tom Port has always been full of shit. Long before he shilled this bullshit, his opinions on what was a good sounding record were dubious, and this wasn't with anything particular expensive or anything. (One that comes to mind is how a standard pressing of Nirvana's Nevermind was so bright that it was an ear-bleeder. NOBODY heard what he was hearing, and he refused to answer whether the issue was his playback.)

birdistheword, Thursday, 26 August 2021 15:05 (two years ago) link

i think i'm extra salty because "hot stamper" is so much fun to say and he's fucking ruined it for me, the absolute bastard.

things repeat forever and there never is a remedy (Austin), Thursday, 26 August 2021 15:40 (two years ago) link

Of course what they are pushing is hype and brand but it's not wrong to say some records sound notably better than others, and among other things how many generations down the master tape used is and the condition of the stampers are not insignificant.

I'm not a vinyl snob at all but sometimes a good record will hit me. I just got an Italian reissue of "Heroes" (I'm not a Bowie nut either) that really leapt out. Looked up the engineer at RCA Italia and seems he's lately got a bit of a rep among the Hoffman crew. What can I say, my ears told me what was up before any confimation bias could kick in.

Noel Emits, Thursday, 26 August 2021 15:53 (two years ago) link

that's just a strong argument to buy CDs instead

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Thursday, 26 August 2021 17:07 (two years ago) link

Or a Pono!

DJI, Thursday, 26 August 2021 17:11 (two years ago) link

bands should just release new material as a blu-ray of unmixed tracks and let fans mix and sequence the albums

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Thursday, 26 August 2021 17:17 (two years ago) link

xxp

I don't see how that follows. It's mainly an acknowledgment that mastering makes a difference and can even be revelatory. That applies to any format, and CDs at least as much as records, albeit in different ways.

Noel Emits, Thursday, 26 August 2021 17:23 (two years ago) link

hot stampers are supposed to be magical due to some intangible qualities derived from variations in the physical stamping process and some proprietary cleaning method... neither of which are relevant when you're buying a CD. you figure out which CD release has the best mastering, you buy it, and if you rip it securely and the checksums verify on the SecureRip database, you can stop right there and know you've got the best possible recording of an album.

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Thursday, 26 August 2021 17:26 (two years ago) link

I know that this has been said to death already by many people over the years but I just cannot understand paying thousands of dollars in your multi year search for the best sounding version of Teaser and the Firecat, rather than, spending that money to buy other records.

Bach on harmonica! (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 26 August 2021 17:44 (two years ago) link

Yeah, they're talking about finding and flipping these peerless gems, and it's almost always these huge selling cheapie bin perennials. Note in the interview that this started with finding the perfect copy of the Blood, Sweat & Tears S/T!

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 August 2021 17:56 (two years ago) link

That's another reason why I stuck with CD's and SACD's. Even brand-new SACD's from Mobile Fidelity typically cost me no more than $30 a pop after taxes and shipping, and I buy maybe five a year, depending on what they release. That's by far the most I would pay for a new album - otherwise, I rarely pay more than $10 for a disc.

birdistheword, Thursday, 26 August 2021 18:16 (two years ago) link

guy smokes weed before listening to a record and then enjoys it

shitbird in prospect (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 26 August 2021 19:05 (two years ago) link

You haven't truly bought vinyl until you drop five Benjamin's on a Hot Stamper of No Fun Aloud.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 August 2021 21:13 (two years ago) link

It sounds to me like a square dance band, like "Gregory Fibula and his Red Hot Stampers are playing American Legion hall #287 this Friday at 7PM".

Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Friday, 27 August 2021 18:41 (two years ago) link

it's pretty classic in terms of audiophilia - taking something that has core of truth - some record pressings sound better than others - and turning it into this demented, expensive and obsessive con job

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 August 2021 19:38 (two years ago) link

Here comes the hot stamper

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 27 August 2021 20:57 (two years ago) link

ums otm

any even halfway serious record collector knows that some pressings are good and some are bad, and that there's variation between the various batches off of the stampers based on how early in the process they were stamped, which can SOMETIMES but not always indicate a better sounding press.

as far as CD versions of things that were originally on LP, that gets into remastering territory and I'd say that at least 60% of the CDs that I own from this era are at least a little bit inferior to the proper vinyl versions, making a good-sounding CD is jus gas hard as making a good-sounding LP

imo starting in the 90's, this calculation flipped because vinyl pressings became increasingly crap (ofc some older things like Sun Ra Saturn presses and ESP Discs were always crap as well) and these days I've really gotta get a google/discogs quality check before I shell out for vinyl on most serious purchases. whereas the Bandcamp downloads all sounds awesome.

sleeve, Friday, 27 August 2021 21:06 (two years ago) link

I mean, I specifically seek out older German and UK pressings of Creedence Clearwater Revival LPs for this very reason

sleeve, Friday, 27 August 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link

same with those Beatles LPs, cannot beat the 70's UK Parlophone reissues for overall sound imho, 60's purists can suck it

sleeve, Friday, 27 August 2021 21:08 (two years ago) link

Here comes the hot stamper

thread took shockingly long to get here. thank you, milo.

andrew m., Friday, 27 August 2021 21:08 (two years ago) link

*just as hard as

sleeve, Friday, 27 August 2021 21:09 (two years ago) link

guy smokes weed before listening to a record and then enjoys it


Yeah these guys are not exactly conducting controlled experiments according to the scientific method.

Bach on harmonica! (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 27 August 2021 21:21 (two years ago) link

I will always think of Hot Doug Stamper, thanks to whoever had that as their display name a few years ago.

Michael Jones, Saturday, 28 August 2021 09:33 (two years ago) link

some pressings are good and some are bad, and that there's variation between the various batches off of the stampers based on how early in the process they were stamped, which can SOMETIMES but not always indicate a better sounding press.

as far as CD versions of things that were originally on LP, that gets into remastering territory and I'd say that at least 60% of the CDs that I own from this era are at least a little bit inferior to the proper vinyl versions

Manufacturing factors aside, records issued in different regions and at different times are already in "remastering territory" as they are typically (certainly were in the heyday of multinational labels) cut* locally by a different engineer from different tapes than the "original". Which of course is not to say there's a simple 1st pressings are always best correlation (cf my 80s Italian copy of "Heroes"), but there is a likelihood a home country 1st edition will have been cut from low generation master tapes.

* (the original meaning of mastering being to cut the lacquer master)

Noel Emits, Saturday, 28 August 2021 15:15 (two years ago) link

thread took shockingly long to get here. thank you, milo.

― andrew m., Friday, August 27, 2021

Shady scams and other silly business ideas to take advantage of earnest new vinyl collectors

enochroot, Saturday, 28 August 2021 16:02 (two years ago) link

Hot scampers.

Noel Emits, Saturday, 28 August 2021 16:07 (two years ago) link

*spends 500 dollars on an Elvis Presley record or whatever lame shit*

*plays record a single time*

oops the friction of my stylus against the vinyl during a single spin has ruined the record's fidelity, it's burnt to shit now, too bad i couldn't rip it to a digital format because digital is Bad.

*buys another $500 copy* i guess this is my life now

davey, Saturday, 28 August 2021 16:08 (two years ago) link

that's one of the dumbest things of the whole vinyl thing, this idea that every time you play a record the needle is doing so much damage and you have to protect these fragile things, esp if you have a good record player and cartridge it's nothing to worry about, i have jazz records from the 40s and 50s that still sound great, tons of scratched records i cleaned up and still have a pretty minimal amount of surface noise

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 August 2021 16:27 (two years ago) link

like just play them, people that hold these things for some theoretical future sale value is just depressing to me

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 August 2021 16:30 (two years ago) link

nooo u can't play them they will be ruined noooooooooooo

davey, Saturday, 28 August 2021 16:54 (two years ago) link

vinyl is a store of investment value like bitcoin, NEVER play your records

davey, Saturday, 28 August 2021 16:54 (two years ago) link

That "collector" mentality seems to plague ever hobby. Like you shouldn't enjoy what you buy, ideally it should remain vacuum-sealed and untouched by human hand - putting it to the very use it was designed for will only devalue it.

Cleaning vinyl's fine, but honestly that's another reason I stuck with optical discs. Just pop it in and play. No maintenance and nothing to worry about as long as you handle it by the edges, though I suppose that can look kind of funny to some.

birdistheword, Saturday, 28 August 2021 16:54 (two years ago) link

at least you don't send records off to a professional grading service and have them slab them in plastic like comic books and trading card.

Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 28 August 2021 17:00 (two years ago) link

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Thus Sang Freud, Saturday, 28 August 2021 17:00 (two years ago) link

the record store i go to will throw them on the VPI machine for a buck a pop, so if it's something worth it i'll do that occasionally

pretty much all the new vinyl i've ever bought is basically like new though, it's remarkably easy to take care of records! they are actually a remarkably durable medium. there are 78s from forever ago that are still playable, i don't think my CDs will last that long

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 August 2021 17:02 (two years ago) link

XP i keep my vinyl in a vacuum chamber at absolute zero, thank you very much

davey, Saturday, 28 August 2021 17:03 (two years ago) link

XPS sort of surprised vinyl grading services haven't become a thing yet.

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 28 August 2021 17:04 (two years ago) link

I think you mostly see consignment/auction services, like Carolina Soul

sleeve, Saturday, 28 August 2021 17:05 (two years ago) link

jokes aside i agree with UMS that vinyl is a more durable medium

davey, Saturday, 28 August 2021 17:06 (two years ago) link


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