Cuba: Here we go again?

oh I suspect American intervention is already happening

Joe Biden would never…

watching WH comms debase themselves getting right in line w the likes of Cruz & Rubio (and worse) just gives the game away. It may be years before the extent to which our assets/ proxies are involved come to light, but just as the sun rises in the East…

(and RIP to Obama’s approach w both Iran and Cuba—imo two of the unequivocally good and mildly surprising things to come from from his 2 terms)

The U.S. Coast Guard is monitoring boats heading to Cuba and possibly bringing weapons

I'm not sure what American policy should be now tbh.

Watching each side revert to the received opinions is tiresome, sez this eftist Cuban-American poster in Miami.

I'm conflicted and should not be clicking on this thread.

*left

My name is Juan CubanLastName33883837. My country Cuba not enough Freedom please invade killing up to 20% of population. PLEASE sell exclusive right to mine nickel and manganese to American corparation!

— derek (@derek8185338005) July 12, 2021

I'm not sure what American policy should be now tbh.

Watching each side revert to the received opinions is tiresome

What has changed that anyone's opinions would have? We're in the seventh decade of a covert war on Cuba, American media blanketing the airwaves with coverage of 'anti-regime protests' is as suspicious in 2021 as it would have been in 1991 or 1971.

Mm you don't say!

This ain't about America anymore.

Every major highway in Miami is shut down, so this shit has moved beyond received opinions. My family has been the victims of American perfidy for six decades. I'm trying to block out Trumpist bulllshit triumphalism while accepting how deeply this regime has failed my remaining relatives.

Sounds like Cubans are due for free elections.

Fuck pic.twitter.com/hEtnGGsIhL

— L Ron Mexico (@LRonMexico) July 13, 2021

lol I don’t know what’s real or not but I’m just imagining it’s 1989 and we’re having this conversation about Eastern Europe. “American media is blanketing us with suspicious coverage of alleged “protests” in Prague don’t fall for it stay strong defend the revolution, Havel is CIA.”

Yes yes very comparable situation to the US and Cuba (or US and anywhere in Central or South America).

Monroe Doctrine innit

When Amnesty International writes an article about Cuban protest, little do you know the CIA is behind it.

Black Lives Matter has released a statement on Cuba: pic.twitter.com/NgnT1o1oZE

— Sabrina Rodríguez (@sabrod123) July 15, 2021

Yes, it's hideous considering the number of Afro-Cubans protesting of the island

Terrible politics for leftists and Miami Dems who've been defending BLM since June 2020.

Lack of syringes is the big problem at the moment, if anyone want to help: https://ghpartners.org/syringes4cuba/

Wrt to the BLM tweet 'cutting of food' is a bit hyperbolic, in 2020, the US was the third biggest exporter of food to Cuba.

The BLM test is fine, 100%.

Tweet/statement

thx for the link VHS

it would be nice if people didn’t always feel obliged to take one state line or another. no need to accept the cuban state’s self presentation at face value in order to oppose US imperialism. of course any kind of regime the US would prefer to install would be worse. of course they will want to take advantage of or exacerbate any instability & coopt any dissent regardless of cause or motivation. of course this crisis would not be prominent news in this part of the world if the political leadership was different. of course the framing in western media is going to be utter bullshit. all these things should go without saying but apparently they don’t. that said all cops includes the cuban ones

I’m 21 years old and capitalism has completely imploded twice in my lifetime. https://t.co/CPcyTAEuNH

— Mac 🇵🇸 (@GoodPoliticGuy) July 16, 2021

The BLM test is fine, 100%.

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, July 17, 2021 9:26 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Tweet/statement

― xyzzzz__, Saturday, July 17, 2021

Black Lives Matter But Not In Cuba.

serious question: am I out of line for thinking a lot of this kind of thing is going on?

Just shockingly cruel. This woman came out to protest for her country, for the Revolution, but had her identity stolen *by the UN* and falsely portrayed as an anti-govt protester.

Latin Americans are always silenced if they don't agree with the US. pic.twitter.com/RMjLdnexIx

— Ollie Vargas (@OVargas52) July 17, 2021

A story in three parts: pic.twitter.com/r6bcMJYg8C

— Louis Allday (@Louis_Allday) July 17, 2021

I've read a few accounts on Twitter. I'd likely believe it of the U.S. over the UN.

Protesting for the Revolution in 2021 while your countrymen are arrested and beaten has a Trumpian overtone.

. no need to accept the cuban state’s self presentation at face value in order to oppose US imperialism. of course any kind of regime the US would prefer to install would be worse. of course they will want to take advantage of or exacerbate any instability & coopt any dissent regardless of cause or motivation. of course this crisis would not be prominent news in this part of the world if the political leadership was different.

otm

is that the dude who tweeted in 2019 about Castro, a white man whose governing circle consisted of other white men, sadly shaking his head over racism before 1959

good thread here:

I’m very disappointed that @Blklivesmatter put out such an uninformed statement regarding Cuba…particularly when it silences so many Black Cubans who have been protesting and putting themselves at risk who consider BLM to be part of them and their movement too.

— Danielle Clealand (@ProfClealand) July 15, 2021

the replies to that tweet are...something

along those lines:

https://slate.com/podcasts/a-word/2021/07/race-cuba-afro-cubans-uprising

Black Lives Matter But Not In Cuba.

― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 July 2021 bookmarkflaglink

Lift the embargo except #itscomplicated

i'm with Alfred, the tweet was misinformed and largely centered the conversation around the US and ignored the protests on the ground in Cuba and seemed to lionize their government.

you can support lifting the embargo and also acknowledge this. these aren't either-or proposals.

exactly

Glad we all agree part of the solution for Cuba's future is more trade with capitalist economies.

The partial solutions for Cuba's future: lifting the embargo, let the people decide the system under which they wish to live, and read ILX for counsel.

I hope we can all agree that lifting the embargo would be a good thing in general for the people living in Cuba. If or when the Cuban government stands or falls should only become a consideration only after the embargo is gone. Even if you think the Cuban regime is bad and criminal, the fact remains that the embargo hasn't removed it after six decades, so keeping the embargo won't do anything to remove that government; the embargo only inflicts pain and misery on the Cubans to no good end.

Regardless of the embargo, some terrible economic decisions have been made and they have been compounded by the pandemic. And at one point I think it's also important to allow Cubans living on the island to parse terrible economic policies + authoritarian injustices from problems stemming from this horrific embargo. Alfred is obviously otm when he says it's not all about America.

To be clear, the regime was authoritarian regardless of the embargo.

Yes, I meant those are two separate sets of problems.

Glad we all agree part of the solution for Cuba's future is more trade with capitalist economies.

― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 17 July 2021 bookmarkflaglink

It's not the gotcha you think it is

I don’t mean to excuse any particular actions of Castro and his successors, but an authoritarian regime is a pretty logical thing to have if the United States is trying to kill your president and overturn your government. How long would a left-liberal government that implemented radical land reforms and redistribution have lasted? Would the regime that followed be democratic, or non-repressive?

You're right. The embargo has been as much a propaganda triumph for the Castros and successors as for the Cuban AM radio commentariat. It still doesn't justify labor camps, etc.

Sure, there are reasons why the revolutionary Cuban government became so authoritarian. The same was true of the USSR. It's hard to argue that the Russian Federation is objectively better or worse for its people than the USSR was, but at least the present US sanctions against the Russian Federation are better targeted and less harmful than the Cuban embargo. Getting rid of the embargo is a no-brainer, imo.