She can’t stand in the way of whatever Roupenian thinks about Charles. She doesn’t know that story. But she can refuse to be enlisted in this narrative against her will. And she did. If it was me, i would hope to be as courageous and careful with my words as she was.
― treeship., Monday, 12 July 2021 18:32 (two years ago) link
In the end it is about defending charles but it isn’t just about that. She is also standing up for herself.
― treeship., Monday, 12 July 2021 18:33 (two years ago) link
I thought the primary purpose was to stand up for herself. Not everything is al about Charles. Sad lol
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 12 July 2021 18:39 (two years ago) link
Oops all
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 12 July 2021 18:40 (two years ago) link
Tbh I’d personally never write an essay primarily defending my ex boyfriend if a character resembled him. Never would put the effort into it. However I would absolutely write an essay saying i believe it is was uncool to poach my life for your story if I wasn’t aware of the borrowing and/or had not been asked for consent. Violated is the word that keeps coming to mind. That’s just me. Everyone is different.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 12 July 2021 18:43 (two years ago) link
if somoene wrote a story in which my ex-girlfriend was depicted as being abusive to me, and the story was a viral sensation, and everyone who knew us knew that this story was based on us, and then she was tormented by this, i would absolutely want to correct the record.
― treeship., Monday, 12 July 2021 18:46 (two years ago) link
whatever harsh feelings i have for my exes, or whatever, there is still a principle of fairness.
― treeship., Monday, 12 July 2021 18:47 (two years ago) link
i agree that the essay is primarily about her standing up for herself and her own story. but charles is definitely a part of it. this is part of what made the story so disturbing -- that it was not a pleasant and fun story. i imagine she would not care as much if the story was lighter in tone and didn't depict her as naive and him as predatory.
― treeship., Monday, 12 July 2021 18:49 (two years ago) link
Wanting the record corrected and writing an essay primarily to clear an ex’s name when your personal deets were poached & your experience misrepresented — not the same thing. The only thing I don’t buy is that the essay writer PRIMARILY wrote the essay to clear his name. That was secondary because he deserved to have his name cleared. I feel like there are way too many potential spots of misunderstanding (in good or bad faith) that I should probably just bow out.
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 12 July 2021 18:50 (two years ago) link
i don't think it was primarily due to that either. i just think it's part of it.
― treeship., Monday, 12 July 2021 18:52 (two years ago) link
so i think we agree.
― treeship., Monday, 12 July 2021 18:53 (two years ago) link
i just often repeat the same points over and over. if someone wants to create a pedantic internet poster character, just change my hometown please.
― treeship., Monday, 12 July 2021 18:54 (two years ago) link
what is the main idea of this passage?
a) potaotes from ireland started the potato revolutionb) the average american eats 50 pounds of potatoes a yearc) french fries are made from potatoesd) potatoes are a key vegetable in americae) the various terms for potatoes have a long history
― k3vin k., Monday, 12 July 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link
She could have corrected the record and stood up for herself privately. I don’t think it was cool to do publicly unless the motivation was attention/pay. Which are fine motivations for a lot of people, who could justify the downsides. I could not.
― mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 12 July 2021 19:46 (two years ago) link
cat people...got no reason
― Bongo Jongus, Monday, 12 July 2021 20:20 (two years ago) link
Sounds too close to “women speak up either for attention or money.”
― ... (Eazy), Monday, 12 July 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link
What would the benefit be of standing up privately? Readers who recognized her might still assume she was the naive, somewhat self-absorbed girl of the story. To set the record straight she needs to speak out.
Also I found her essay more compelling than the initial story. So I think it justifies itself as an essay in its own right that raises questions about ethics in authorship.
― treeship., Monday, 12 July 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link
Was wondering how you correct the record in private.
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 12 July 2021 21:03 (two years ago) link
to be fair, james joyce presented skewered visions of real life people in 'ulysses.' i'm certain that none of his easily identifiable models consented to this.
it is not clear how he could have disguised these people, given the fact that the novel itself was so autobiographical. he *was* stephen, biographically; and he *was* bloom, spiritually. (italo svevo was also bloom).
i don't know if this is ethical, if autofiction is ethical. knausgaard writes extensively, in his books, about how pissed off everyone was by his books, which didn't even include a fig leaf of a name change. i guess the difference with joyce and knausgaard is that they implicate themselves in their work more than anyone else? or maybe the difference is that i love ulysses, and i love the 'my struggle' novels, and i don't love cat person, so the literature doesn't seem to justify the violation.
there are all kinds of sexist implications to this too. in my defense, though, i also will defend virginia woolf's use of people from her real life as obvious models.
― treeship., Monday, 12 July 2021 21:09 (two years ago) link
I could at least understand better where the objection was coming from if it was something like "the original story said something really important and I don't think it should be discredited".
― Sequel to Sadness (Sund4r), Monday, 12 July 2021 21:09 (two years ago) link
i guess in this case it seems like whatever one finds valuable in the story could have been preserved if they changed the details? whereas in these other cases, it's not as easy, as the work is about the author and the people they knew
― treeship., Monday, 12 July 2021 21:46 (two years ago) link
also, like, i am not totally clear on the ethics of those other examples, even though i appreciate those works as literature
― treeship., Monday, 12 July 2021 21:50 (two years ago) link
haven't followed all the intricacies, but it seems to me the response essay may be a case of......
.....putting out fire with gasoline
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Monday, 12 July 2021 23:36 (two years ago) link
It seems to me that if someone researches biographical details about you in order to write a sex scene between you and your actual ex-boyfriend in which both of you can be easily identified, you are justified in writing anything you please about it.
― Lily Dale, Tuesday, 13 July 2021 20:59 (two years ago) link
I would simply correct the record privately
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 13 July 2021 21:07 (two years ago) link
xp. otm
― 《Myst1kOblivi0n》 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 13 July 2021 21:24 (two years ago) link
sorry y'all, just making a david bowie joke.....
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Wednesday, 14 July 2021 01:47 (two years ago) link
Just heard there’s a Cat Person movie! It stars two ppl I’ve never heard of which is perfect (for me) and I’m weirdly psyched to see what it looks like as a movie. I’d imagine it’s going to be REALLY uncomfortable 😀
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Friday, 20 January 2023 22:39 (one year ago) link
damn, Greg the Egg getting done dirty with this casting.
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Friday, 20 January 2023 22:42 (one year ago) link
Cat Person - Official Trailer (2023) Emilia Jones, Nicholas Braun, Thriller Movie pic.twitter.com/on9gU0QU4q— Movie Coverage (@MovieCoverage_) August 24, 2023
Lol what the fuck
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 24 August 2023 20:42 (seven months ago) link
Isn't it a truism that a longish short story is the perfect length for a movie? So what the fuck is going on there? Why does it continue? They don't think that's enough for a film, they've got to amp up everything? Such a shit decision, whatever you think of the original short story.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 24 August 2023 21:06 (seven months ago) link
What’s wrong w a cat person movie? I think it’s an appropriate length/level of complexity
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 24 August 2023 21:34 (seven months ago) link
the trailer has the whole original story as just setup for some stalker / thriller thing.
― the world is your octopus (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 24 August 2023 21:37 (seven months ago) link
One of us has to die
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 24 August 2023 21:44 (seven months ago) link
if I was in charge of the marketing for this movie I would change the name from 'Cat Person' to 'The Ick', gotta move with the times
― soref, Thursday, 24 August 2023 21:59 (seven months ago) link
The Horrible Twin
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Thursday, 24 August 2023 22:00 (seven months ago) link
lol the poster art directly references the photo that accompanied the NYer story (with a font that feels very late 90s)https://people.com/thmb/D-Z4q769sW6zWUTo7T4bf2GJS5Q=/1500x0/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc():focal(749x0:751x2)/cat-person-poster-082323-288b858191b0498fb2d084fde6581d6d.jpg
― jaymc, Thursday, 24 August 2023 22:27 (seven months ago) link
this person still sucks
― k3vin k., Friday, 25 August 2023 23:04 (seven months ago) link
damn, Greg the Egg getting done dirty with this casting.― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Friday, January 20, 2023 10:42 PM (seven months ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Friday, January 20, 2023 10:42 PM (seven months ago) bookmarkflaglink
I'm was very OFFTM with this one in retrospect. Knowing what we know now about Nicolas Braun, it's kind of like when Chris D'Elia played a celebrity who groomed teens on YOU.
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Friday, 25 August 2023 23:09 (seven months ago) link
Reading over my posts on this thread, I understand why some people don’t like me.
― treeship., Friday, 25 August 2023 23:14 (seven months ago) link
we all love you
― k3vin k., Friday, 25 August 2023 23:26 (seven months ago) link
it’s better to read your own old posts and realize personal growth than it is to read them and consistently think “this guy? otm”kind of nice to do the latter a bit, too
― mh, Saturday, 26 August 2023 03:00 (seven months ago) link
from a studio bottom line $$ perspective, this is a A++ idea
― johnny crunch, Saturday, 26 August 2023 22:57 (seven months ago) link
I can’t believe there is nearly 1,000 posts in this thread. Who says ILx is moribund?
― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 26 August 2023 23:14 (seven months ago) link
One of my coworkers heard the word moribund for the first time last week! So if people are calling things moribund maybe they just learned that word.
― mh, Sunday, 27 August 2023 13:43 (seven months ago) link
I didn't really like this story but somehow I never got around to saying so in the 1,000-post thread about it
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 27 August 2023 16:14 (seven months ago) link
It needed more stalking and murder imo
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Sunday, 27 August 2023 16:37 (seven months ago) link
people who use the word moribund sound bad. they are like cat person, who is bad
― imago, Sunday, 27 August 2023 16:39 (seven months ago) link
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e1/Moribundmusic.jpg
― hardcore technician gimmicks are also another popular choice f (President Keyes), Sunday, 27 August 2023 16:42 (seven months ago) link
xp Like Philip Parsons in the Times.
― kinder, Sunday, 27 August 2023 16:46 (seven months ago) link