"I'm a sovereign human being, I stand under common law only" - Thread of Freemen

The context is appreciated yeah.

From Goodreads: “Recommends it for: people who don't think howard zinn goes far enough”

Hmm. Seems like Zinn was mainly focused on how systemic oppression was cooked into America’s pot from the beginning; I’m not getting that from the blurb for this book so much. It still looks interesting though.

Regarding the Moorish Sovereigns specifically though it looks like they position themselves at the intersection of the Montana Freemen and the Black Hebrew Israelites. Yikes. I wonder if they’re affiliated with that cult that got shut down in Georgia a few years back.

I wonder if they’re affiliated with that cult that got shut down in Georgia a few years back.

Yes. The long-ass Twitter thread I linked goes into that a little. The main dude was sentenced to 135 years in prison and is suing the US government for $2 billion from his cell.

I'm surprised a judge would allow a suit like that to proceed, although the $2 billion is just a figure the guy pulled out of his ass and the real question is whether he has appropriate grounds for his filing. Given how whacko these freemen are, that seems... questionable.

Cheers unperson. (I did take a quick dive into that rabbit hole you linked but it seems I withdrew prematurely.)

viborg, there's some good stuff in there— Guillermo Gomez-Peña, Jack Forbes, Peter Linebaugh. I'd say it's about half crank and conspiracy stuff, and half legitimate radical scholarship.

It didn't live up to my expectations, to be honest— at the time I ordered it, I was much more interested in learning about communes, intentional communities, hermetic individuals, and hobo types. But it has actually come in handy a few times.

Were you thinking about taking up the hobo life? I’m not being dismissive, I’ve considered it as an option tbh. (We used to hop trains for fun as kids. I once got arrested for a particularly drunken episode involving me in my Mohawk hanging off a freight train, flipping off Southern small-town cops.)

I think I could definitely do alright as a hermit.

But yeah I’d pick up the book if I saw it available somewhere, idk if I’m going to go out of my way to read it, cheers.

I am a bit more interested in some actual sequels to Zinn’s work that I saw mentioned in ILBooks.

I'm pretty sure the Nation of Islam evolved out of a split in the Moorish Temple

viborg, I did live the hobo life for a while. I even was a caretaker for this place in the winter of 2015-2016.

A lot of my written work, in one way or another, explores the possibility of dropping out of society, or the way those inhabiting "the third landscape" live— I've lived off-grid, in squats, on land projects, and in a truck, the latter for several years.

I highly recommend the Dunbar-Ortiz, "Indigenous Peoples' History of the United States." It's the base text for a lot of indigenous studies and literature classes— the prose is fluid, angry, and harrowing.

(I should say that my hobo days are probably behind me, I have a mortgage and nearly died two years ago, but I plan on riding trains again at some point, if only for a crew change or two)

I'm pretty sure the Nation of Islam evolved out of a split in the Moorish Temple

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, July 4, 2021 6:29 PM (yesterday)

Yes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Drew_Ali

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Thanks for the recommendation, I will definitely add it to my wanted list. Your experiences sound very cool, hope I get a chance to check out some of your writing!

Jan 6 defendant Pauline Bauer made a motion to have her case dismissed.

It's worth a look ==> pic.twitter.com/FTifSc9hR4

— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) July 16, 2021

wow

i need to save this for the next time i want to get out of jury duty

right wingin', bitter clingin', proud clinger

saw some kind of moorish "license plate" on a truck this morning, did a pretty good job of looking vaguely official.

one thing i have always enjoyed about sovereign citizens is that they employ all kinds of made up arguments why the law doesn't apply to their vessel but use actual laws (wrongly) in service of those arguments. i mean why bother? how could brady v. maryland have existed if maryland didn't have jurisdiction over brady?

LOL @ this stupid cunt getting a little taste of the sort of justice meted out in the place that is every right wing wanker's wet dream.

He claimed he was “sovereign” throughout the trial, adding “the charges don't apply to me”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/08/05/briton-refused-wear-mask-singapore-remanded-mental-health-facility/

That is 100% the approach to take imo

this is bad for various reasons but yeah why not?

claiming you're sovereign as an employee of a british company working in singapore really hits different than US sovereign citizens at home

always been one of the charms of it over here, a nonsensical magic reading of US history and law goes to another level of stupid as a reading of Brit history and law

apologies if this has already been posted, but a friend pointed it out when I mentioned I was taking my daughter to a soft play facility. The story also has lower league football!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-57322352

An ex-footballer who claimed the Magna Carta allowed him to keep his soft play centre open during Covid restrictions has been fined more than £4,500.

it's pretty much perfect isn't it. I liked how he was such a "freeman" thast he didn't bother to turn up to court and got fined a load of money anyway.

I used to love watching these guys get arrested until I learned of the moorish submovement, and now my schadenfreude is confused.

More Magna Carta-related japery: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/aug/17/protesters-claim-to-seize-edinburgh-castle-citing-magna-carta

A group of about 20 protesters entered Edinburgh Castle on Tuesday evening, claiming to have “seized” the landmark under article 61 of Magna Carta.

The protesters filmed their protest on Facebook Live. In a 13-minute video, a woman says the castle “belongs to the people” and that they are “taking our power back”. She adds the Scottish people have been “lied to all our lives” and that the “building belongs to us, we have taken the castle back” in an effort to “restore the rule of law”.

A man adds: “Treason’s been going on for that long now, we can’t sit back and let everybody perish under the stupid legislation and fraudulent government tyranny, so let’s just take it all back, not just the castle.”

As police officers appear in the footage, the female protester told officers they were seizing the castle under article 61 of Magna Carta. Magna Carta – signed by King John in 1215 – has never applied in Scotland as it predates the Act of Union.

A spokesperson for Historic Environment Scotland told the Edinburgh Evening News: “A group of around 20 individuals entered Edinburgh Castle this evening without payment. After refusing requests to leave the premises Police Scotland were called to the site and are dealing with the matter. There are no other visitors currently on site.”

the section in magna carta abt the entry fee to tourist sites

Lol my first thought was "Scotland was a separate kingdom in 1215 you doofs"

Geniuses.

A sovcit loony is running for Congress in Arizona; he has a notice on his website about wanting to return grand juries to the people(???) so politicians can be prosecuted for telling people to wear masks, or something. I don't know, I tried reading it and when I got to the Magna Carta stuff my eyes started to bleed.

He wants to be a legislator so that he can pass laws that no one has to obey?

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/26/nyregion/moors-newark.html

On June 16, Ms. Little came to inspect her dream home. She had closed on it in February and was planning renovations before moving in.

Buying the home felt like a triumph for Ms. Little, who grew up mostly in Florida as a foster child, finding security as a teenager only when her high school principal took her in.

She graduated from the University of Central Florida but struggled as a young adult, living out of motel rooms for periods of time. Now a senior customer service specialist with Jaguar Land Rover North America, she could afford to buy a house.

She tried to unlock the door but was puzzled: the locks had been replaced. The next day, she returned with a locksmith and was confronted by two men, one of whom was Mr. John and who said the house was his. After a heated exchange she called the police.

When the police arrived, both Ms. Little and Mr. John showed documents claiming the house was theirs, according to a report of the incident issued by Brian A. O’Hara, the Newark public safety director. She shared the property deed proving ownership, Ms. Little said, he the fabricated papers bearing the Al Moroccan seal.

The men “claimed to be sovereign citizens of the Al Moroccan Empire and that their status permitted them access to the property,” Mr. O’Hara’s report said. The officers verified that Ms. Little bought the house in February, and they asked the men to leave. They did.

Thirty minutes later, Mr. John returned, brushed past Ms. Little on the porch, she said, opened the door with his own key and locked it behind him.

this v much belongs here

Self important dicks doing self important shit at Colchester Hospital. pic.twitter.com/QTWJBfIPtU

— Nullen, Hoofwanking Spangletwat, Biscuit Overlord. (@sfinn80) October 20, 2021

The obvious thing to do with these twats is to laugh in their faces.

"Sir - you do realize that you're wearing sweat pants out in public..?"

What is this all about? I heard something about crimes against humanity.

She should have dumped them all in a trash can right in front of them.

they're bringing some kind of imaginary legal action against all the NHS staff because Covid isn't real, also something about the Pope running all the businesses in the world

The bit about the Pope did throw me a bit tbh.

I'm not convinced the Pope holds any authority over NHS trusts, but you never know!

idk man those lads look like they know what they're talking about, they've got envelopes and everything

It's like someone heard about a citizen's arrest and figured, well, there must be a citizen's subpoena as well.

Must be nice to have state-provided healthcare workers to pointlessly badger

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2021/11/14/this-uniquely-canadian-conspiracy-theory-group-was-on-the-edges-of-obscurity-then-vaccine-mandates-came-down.html

paywalled, alas

Hmmmm, what about this link? https://apple.news/ANpZpU_rERqmsrgDeCieiFQ

Also paywalled.

The second one isn't paywalled for me, but I'm guessing it only works on an iPhone?