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This one

https://www.discogs.com/Tove-Jansson-Mika-Pohjola-2-Erna-Tauro-Johanna-Gr%C3%BCssner-Muminr%C3%B6ster-Moomin-Voices/release/6063322

I have that one too, it sounds a bit like Dungen. And i think a third one in addition to "vem ska trosta knyttet"

The one you linked is the best of the 3

Not ta det lugnt but later dungen

Like vince guaraldi peanuts meets dungen

Ha, I can kind of see that

norm macdonald was okay

Not a controversial opinion

Norm macdonald was very funny, but ilxors are in denial about what he was really like personally, and seem to be happy to ignore his sexual assaults.

his sexual assaults

Got a link? My own searches turn up nothing.

Fuckin thank you. I hadn't heard any of the sexual assault stories but that clip of him on Conan where he mauls Courtney Thorne-Smith as an explicit gesture of sexual power/dominance over the Conan because he knows they both find her attractive and Norm wants to get there first, was so repulsive. (Later in the segment, he interrupts Conan's questioning of CTS to make himself the center of attention a bunch of times including insulting fat people and a premature ejaculation joke iirc--I shut it off at that point.)

I never watched any show or thing that Norm MacDonald was on so I have no attachment to him, so maybe it's easy for me to say but...fuck that guy.

Norm McDonald stuck his hand down my pants and groped my ass 10 years ago when I asked for a picture with him.

— Molly (of no relation to fun drug) (@Mollyissilly) September 14, 2021

This happened to my sister in law and the creep was Norm MacDonald. True story.

— Josh Fairhurst (@LimitedRunJosh) June 23, 2020

Yeah, that stuff has been saddening to read about. The Brandon Teena joke too.

Yeah, even among the more scathing postmortems I haven't heard anything about that.

Norm MacDonald casually confessing to sexual assault in an interview that brought no further attention to it is a reminder that #MeToo was badly needed. Being famous and funny makes it all too easy for men to get away with this shit. pic.twitter.com/ID7Z294uJi

— Wet Silk (@Fractalmatic) September 15, 2021

Norm Macdonald on Louis C.K. & Roseanne Barr: "There are very few people that have gone through what they have, losing everything in a day. Of course, people will go, 'What about the victims?' But you know what? The victims didn't have to go through that" https://t.co/w6OeRcEO77

— The Hollywood Reporter (@THR) September 11, 2018

Norm MacDonald was always fucking gross

I have one that's kund of jazzy vocal music, it's pretty good

The Many Moods of Norm McDonald

the post-Gram Flying Burrito Bros’ “Tried So Hard” is considerably better than Gene’s (which is still obv classic no arg there)

guess there’s probably a better thread for this Controversial Opinion on ilm

Not that controversial either tbh.

(i.e. I agree with you)

Post a controversial music opinion

All comedy podcasts are bad except ones with Andy Daly.

first two seasons of The Simpsons are dogshit

Ohhhh no, S2 is prob my favourite

I can't vibe with the wrong Homer voice or heart warming character development

Bojack Horseman >>> The Simpsons

Seriously? Isn’t it like Archer with a horse head?

no not at all!

Yeah it’s much much worse than Archer.

> first two seasons of The Simpsons are dogshit

was this prompted by channel 4 yesterday afternoon? i watched the dead putting society episode and enjoyed it, even if the tone was a bit odd.

did enjoy him mixing up jack niklaus / nicholson. i feel later episodes someone would've drawn more attention to that rather than it being a single line.

S1 Simpsons, I'd always filed it away as "unwatchable" (I think I had a hate-on for those episodes when they aired as re-runs and it was prior to me having any concept of "seasons of the Simpsons"), but on re-watch they are much better than I remember (except the babysitter episode)

S2 Simpsons is great because the characters are still in their expositions and some of well-worn tropes are absent or in their nascent stages

when i did a rewatch 10 years ago i was surprised at how many episodes that I assumed were from golden years seasons were actually from season 1

1. What marching bands play is technically music. As in, systematic arrangements of sounds that are played by people who are musically inclined. They are often very skilled at playing their instruments.

But pretty much no one spontaneously likes this music except people who are currently in a marching band or once were in a marching band. Or, I guess, people who are really into American high school and college football? I mean, seriously, does anyone go home at the end of the day and put on a record by the Moosefield High School Marching Band (Home of the Fightin' Meeses)? No they do not.

2. Drum corps drumming is even more of a niche taste - those very high thin snare drums on which people play extremely rapid-fire thingymadiddles and flamaborps, using traditional grip and expertly reading notation. Good for you, I guess. You win at, um, a type of music (again, _technically_) that looks suspiciously like a cross between abstruse mathematics and an obscure Olympic sport. You could be the best in the entire universe and I would still never willingly listen to your fucking tippity tappity whapadoodles at 197 BPM.

(And I say this as a working musician, indeed, a regularly gigging drummer! I respect the dedication that goes into "chops" but there is no way in hell I am going to listen to more than three minutes of purely demonstrative "chops" on any instrument yet devised.)

3. The Smithsonian Air and Space Museums (yes, plural) are frequently cited as among the most popular museums in the US if not the world. And they are Boring. As. Fuck.

Wow, a plane. Let's walk 700 feet further so we can see... another plane. Wow. Oh look here's an obsolete rocket from the Cold War. Wow. This really inspires me to walk another 900 feet in order to see... a slightly different obsolete rocket from the Cold War.

"Keep moving, kids! In another twelve to seventeen minutes we might be able to look at a replica of an obsolete hot-air balloon! Isn't this fun?"

Modern museums have things you can DO. Stuff you can TOUCH. Interactive exhibits. Museum design has evolved since 1976. But judging from the approximately kabillion times I've been dragged through them, the various Air & Space museums have mostly not gotten the memo on interactivity. With a few bright exceptions they have all been places to go Look At Stuff. Zzzzzz. These Cold War-era exhibits often have the faded and sad look of 1970s kitchen appliances.

4. The reason they call it "space" is that there is pretty much nothing there. The Cold-War era quasi-religious reverence for NASA and astronauts and spaceflight has always felt weird to me. Like, sure, yay science, yay achievement, yay technology. But don't confuse instrumental value with intrinsic value; don't make a golden idol out of a dude in a helmet going someplace where he can't breathe.

5. There is also a heapin' helpin' of thinly disguised jingoism in all that NASA worship - it was only partly about the triumph of the human spirit and giant leaps for mankind; much of it was (and is) motivated by being better than the godless commies, which is, again, a kinda tired relic of a time that just makes me sad.

The Air and Space Museum in DC is just starting a multi year renovation so maybe exhibits will be updated?

https://airandspace.si.edu/about-transformation

As the son of an astronomer, I just want to point out that while the space program was definitely sold to the public with jingoism, there were plenty of people involved who just wanted to do basic science and learn more about our place in the universe.

I've really enjoyed the Air and Space Museums, but mostly because I like cool, big planes and satellites as opposed to studying astrophysics and spectroscopy. It's been a few years since I've been, but if I remember correctly, when you compare them to other science centers, they lack a lot of hands-on activities. The recent renovation of the National Museum of Natural History still didn't bring very much in the way of interactive exhibits, I don't think. I mean, there were some things, but not as immersive as say, the Maryland Science Center. More of a modernization of the look of the displays. Here's hoping that there will be more than just cosmetic improvements at the new Air & Space.

The reason they call it "space" is that there is pretty much nothing there.

Also, this is bonkers. There's so much in space. It's just all very, very, very far away.

And lastly, just re marching band music. I doubt that very many people listen to this stuff now, but weren't there lots of marching band 78s and stuff? A hundred years ago, were there people who just went home and listened to stuff like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL8MWCsD_gA

Seems pretty intense to me!

I'm definitely having trouble getting into that headspace. Or were these records mainly played at public events?

My friend used to live across the street from where the university of michigan band practiced and I remember leaving his house once super high and they were like 100 feet away playing the Darth Vader march and it was amazing.

I'd never choose to listen to one as music but hearing 300 people playing together at close range is a crazy visceral experience; I can hear another giant one practicing daily almost a mile away.

I sometimes feel like this is a foreign concept for ilxors but listening to recordings at home is not the only way in which music can be enjoyed, not is it how music has been enjoyed for most of human history, and is not a definitive measure of musical value.

*nor is it

the Lake Nona High Varsity Marching Band new maxi single is out and it is fire. there's a ten minute version of Saints Go Marching In on it!

xpost (Sund4r otm)

Sund4r 100% OTM

marching brass bands of the Sousa variety were the dominant genre for the first two decades of recorded music, and were a vital step in the development of jazz

I mean I sure af don't spend most of my days listening to men's TTBB choirs on my headphones, but I enjoy the hell out of listening to them in person where possible.

I mean I guess I do have John Rutter's "The Lord Bless You and Keep You" on my Amazon playlist lol but if that piece don't move u then u can't move

I spent something like 10 years putting excerpts from the Martin Mass for Double Chorus into every playlist I made for myself, especially the Agnus Dei