gal-dem is very good yes
― Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 13:47 (two years ago) link
Thanks for sharing that, xyzzzz, much more measured than I would be but great article nonetheless.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 15:20 (two years ago) link
gal dem is great
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 22 June 2021 19:15 (two years ago) link
and since we're sortof on the topic, this investigative piece is a great if harrowing read
https://gal-dem.com/transphobia-sexual-violence-sound-like-a-man-hang-up-vawg-investigation/
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 22 June 2021 19:17 (two years ago) link
Pretty good account of something that should not have been published.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2021/aug/09/kate-clanchy-book-updated-racial-stereotypes-picador-some-kids-i-taught
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 10 August 2021 09:30 (two years ago) link
practically and realistically very few UK publishers actually now stump up the cash for the dedicated layer of editorial staff competent to tackle these kinds of issues in advance a manuscript will be read by
i: lawyers but they're not looking out for this kind of thingii: half-read by the commissioning or a copy editor lightly advising on structure or argument and such (but judging by heavyweight books that make it out into the wild, these levels of reading are often barely adequate and often miss basic sentence repetitions, let alone anything subtle ("subtle") iii: a proofing editor if the publisher is flush with cash lol
it's rare for books even to be fact-checked (or i suppose i shd say the onus is placed entirely on the author and the publisher is largely the conduit -- and such oversight as there is comes from staffers quite low in the foodchain and often simply without the authority to say "this passage is very dodgy and must be rewritten"
― mark s, Tuesday, 10 August 2021 10:21 (two years ago) link
“She later claimed the quotes were “all made up”” sounds like she didn’t read her own book either
― Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Tuesday, 10 August 2021 14:50 (two years ago) link
For which I do not blame her as it sounds awful
had a racist intern write it
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 10 August 2021 14:58 (two years ago) link
lol imagine the gall "this thing that you're saying I wrote, that is in my award-winning book? you're making it up."
like how fucking thick and racist is this woman.
― heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Tuesday, 10 August 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link
the examples in this paragraph escalate quickly
In particular, readers criticised the inclusion of racial stereotypes such as “almond-shaped eyes” and “chocolate-coloured skin”, and references to one student as “African Jonathon” and another being “so small and square and Afghan with his big nose and premature moustache”.
― flopson, Tuesday, 10 August 2021 20:45 (two years ago) link
you laugh but this seriously could have been what happened.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 10 August 2021 20:56 (two years ago) link
Danielle Rose lost her job as Poetry Editor over this tweet. Complete BS. Totally outrageous. pic.twitter.com/GlncJ9Jtqy— Forrest Cardamenis (@FCardamenis) September 5, 2021
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 5 September 2021 23:31 (two years ago) link
imagine being a literary editor and thinking that a tweet is a good place to express that idea
― call all destroyer, Monday, 6 September 2021 00:45 (two years ago) link
It's at least half true, but it was the wrong half for the poetry editor of a magazine to attach to herself in public. I can see why he managing editor would be livid about it.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Monday, 6 September 2021 01:10 (two years ago) link
she could have written, like, an essay or something.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 6 September 2021 01:18 (two years ago) link
Yes, exactly, a little more room for nuance.
― Gwar ina Babyon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 September 2021 01:23 (two years ago) link
seems like her point has been made
― mookieproof, Monday, 6 September 2021 01:30 (two years ago) link
she's rolling with it and is either happy or has convinced herself that she is, same thing imo, everybody gets to be as mad as they want & she gets to feel like she provoked some discussion. everybody wins
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 6 September 2021 02:05 (two years ago) link
― Gwar ina Babyon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 September 2021 02:33 (two years ago) link
when you're done being the poetry editor of barren magazine
― call all destroyer, Monday, 6 September 2021 02:44 (two years ago) link
One of the reasons the literary scene is so bad is bcz most ppl in it think it's a conversation with each other. They don't believe this is for anyone outside of it.
She will be replaced with someone who believes the same thing as her.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 September 2021 07:40 (two years ago) link
tfw when you get sacked for misaligned vision
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 6 September 2021 09:11 (two years ago) link
Jumping off the Barren Mag gravy train, how will she recoup those millions?
― buzza, Monday, 6 September 2021 10:09 (two years ago) link
https://themillions.com/
― Gwar ina Babyon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 September 2021 10:20 (two years ago) link
Why would you name your literary magazine that.
― Derek and Clive Get the Horn Street (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 6 September 2021 15:17 (two years ago) link
of course Big Poetry is shutting down one of its best voices
― Duke Detain (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 September 2021 15:24 (two years ago) link
Loool.
― Gwar ina Babyon (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 September 2021 15:32 (two years ago) link
No one knows who she is, btw, and her CV is full of crap publications. I also read some of her work— not too remarkable.
― Kind regards, Anus (the table is the table), Monday, 6 September 2021 17:01 (two years ago) link
No one knows who she is, btw
Of course not; she's a poet! (rimshot)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 6 September 2021 17:17 (two years ago) link
I meant within poetry. (BTW, I harbor no illusions about poetry's audience, and find this whole maelstrom that she started rather tiresome. I've won awards for my poetry— the only people who care are people who already care).
― Kind regards, Anus (the table is the table), Monday, 6 September 2021 17:41 (two years ago) link
― Derek and Clive Get the Horn Street (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 6 September 2021 18:08 (two years ago) link
I'm surprised at the reaction here. To me, what she said is basically true and p much benign. She wasn't saying poetry shouldn't try to reach beyond its insular world, she was merely saying that the poetry world is insular.
― emil.y, Monday, 6 September 2021 18:09 (two years ago) link
what she said is basically true and p much benign.
I agree 100%. The only thing that makes this different from you or I or almost anyone else in the world saying the very same thing is that she worked for a literary magazine as its poetry editor. Declaring to the world that the very section of the magazine you are charged with overseeing is irrelevant to any of its readers who are not poets is a good way to tell most of its subscribers they are wasting part of their money. Literary magazines struggle hard enough to stay afloat already.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Monday, 6 September 2021 18:22 (two years ago) link
god forbid magazine editors tell the truth
― symsymsym, Monday, 6 September 2021 18:25 (two years ago) link
She shouldn't have been sacked for it. That world is too far gone for it to matter.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 6 September 2021 18:26 (two years ago) link
Start a petition!
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Monday, 6 September 2021 18:34 (two years ago) link
Write a letter to the editor!
Whole thing is unpleasant for various reasons.
― What Does Blecch Mean to Me? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 September 2021 18:49 (two years ago) link
if she hadn't have been sacked, would we even be posting about this? I hadn't heard of her or this magazine before this, and I am somewhat familiar with "the scene". Compared to the previous thread topics of racism and transphobia, pointing out that contemporary poetry is pretty cloistered is whatever
― sarahell, Monday, 6 September 2021 18:59 (two years ago) link
Relatedly -- whatever happened with the SPD clusterfuck?
― sarahell, Monday, 6 September 2021 19:01 (two years ago) link
Well some have accused her of racism and the people who sacked her of transphobia
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 6 September 2021 19:06 (two years ago) link
Declaring to the world that the very section of the magazine you are charged with overseeing is irrelevant to any of its readers who are not poets is a good way to tell most of its subscribers they are wasting part of their money.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 6 September 2021 19:16 (two years ago) link
I don't think I know a single living poet (under or over 60) that doesn't critique the poetry world with the implication "we should do better" tbh
― sarahell, Monday, 6 September 2021 19:18 (two years ago) link
emily & sarahell otm, all the Marge Simpson “it’s true but she shouldn’t say it” reactions are weird as hell
― siffleur’s mom (wins), Monday, 6 September 2021 19:23 (two years ago) link
Yeah
― What Does Blecch Mean to Me? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 6 September 2021 19:29 (two years ago) link
Being poetry editor of a literary magazine is also a pretty strong indication of her commitment to the enterprise, which I'd think entitles her to express some pessimism about its significance.
― jmm, Monday, 6 September 2021 19:35 (two years ago) link
I don't spend time in that teapot, so its tempests do not disturb my calloused heart.
― it is to laugh, like so, ha! (Aimless), Monday, 6 September 2021 19:37 (two years ago) link
I think standard operating procedure around is to state that anyone who becomes a victim of Twitter basically deserved it, and even if they didn’t who cares
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 6 September 2021 21:30 (two years ago) link
Re your question about SPD, Sarahell:
The original complainant was joined by another. At the same time, a fake "Poets Union" formed and tried to start a boycott of SPD and some of the presses it distributes. The remaining workers there didn't call for this boycott, the Poets Union persisted, there was an impasse, things died down except in the world of the original complainant, who seems to be a grievance machine tbqh.
― Kind regards, Anus (the table is the table), Monday, 6 September 2021 22:35 (two years ago) link