what year is it
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 June 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link
EndofTwinPeaks-TheReturn.jpg
― Michael F Gill, Thursday, 17 June 2021 17:38 (two years ago) link
Did you check Gibson's '68 game log? He must have had a comparable stretch.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
Gibson '68, start #12 through start #22: 8 shutouts, 0.27 ERA.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 17:42 (two years ago) link
how many innings in that stretch?
must have been at least 72 with the shutouts
O_O
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 June 2021 17:47 (two years ago) link
99 innings. Come to think of it, the two most obvious are Hershiser and Drysdale when they had their consecutive-scoreless-innings streaks. Hershiser ('88) -- 6 starts, 55 innings, 0.00; Drysdale ('68) -- 6 starts, 54 innings, 0.00.
Gibson's is easily the most impressive.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
Jacob deGrom’s release points from all of his 4-seam fastballs and sliders this season. #Mets #LGM https://t.co/JGeWsQUw2d pic.twitter.com/gmGwNxyLY6— Mathew Brownstein (@MBrownstein89) June 17, 2021
― mookieproof, Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:01 (two years ago) link
so sounds like the injury might not be anything serious
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:09 (two years ago) link
Holy shit @ that graph and video. I would like to see what other pitchers' looked like, but that seems like a huge deal.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:25 (two years ago) link
Yeah, that's incredible. I wonder if his arm speed is comparable too.
I checked Gooden's best stretch in '85, and it was all of Sept./Oct., in the middle of a close pennant race (remember them?) with the Cardinals: 6 starts, 53 innings, 0.34. I won't even check that Leonard guy and whatever it was they were playing 120 years ago.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:29 (two years ago) link
in the thread there’s a graph for dylan cease — it’s tight, but not like degrom’s
― mookieproof, Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:30 (two years ago) link
If I remember correctly, peak Kershaw was also ridiculously tight.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:38 (two years ago) link
There is a full video in that guy's thread that is even more impressive. You can't really tell them apart until the pitch is over and he's falling away on one of them.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:57 (two years ago) link
arrieta’s last 20 starts in 2015: 18-2, 147.0 IP, 147 K, 27 BB, 2 HR, 0.86 ERA
― k3vin k., Friday, 18 June 2021 03:26 (two years ago) link
Good one--forgot about that.
― clemenza, Friday, 18 June 2021 15:51 (two years ago) link
Sure I'm not the only one following: four innings so far, six strikeouts, only baserunner a 9- or 10-pitch walk to the opposing pitcher.
― clemenza, Monday, 21 June 2021 22:12 (two years ago) link
Thanks, I forgot today was a doubleheader. KO'd half the batters he has faced so far, nbd.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Monday, 21 June 2021 22:20 (two years ago) link
Ya, just tuned in.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 21 June 2021 22:22 (two years ago) link
Glad he's starting to get some contact outs, may allow him to stick around longer.
― clemenza, Monday, 21 June 2021 22:23 (two years ago) link
Close call! He sets the bar too high...two baserunners and I felt panic strike.
― clemenza, Monday, 21 June 2021 22:28 (two years ago) link
Nah, he's at his best when he's got runners on. You can almost see him get pissed at himself.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Monday, 21 June 2021 22:32 (two years ago) link
Shame I only got to catch 1 inning
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 21 June 2021 23:04 (two years ago) link
Check out the gaudy W-L record on Brad, I mean Jacob.
― clemenza, Monday, 21 June 2021 23:44 (two years ago) link
De Grom was inspected twice by the umpires today.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/mets-degrom-first-pitcher-inspected-new-mlb-foreign-substance-rules/
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 00:52 (two years ago) link
SI piece posted this morning:
https://www.si.com/mlb/2021/06/22/jacob-degrom-season-dominant-the-opener
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 12:58 (two years ago) link
itt i try to criticize jacob degrom
it must help to have a manager who takes him out of the game before he gives up a run. he's only gone past 6 innings once since April. 12 starts, 72 innings for an average of 6 innings per game so far this year. don't get me wrong, that's great, of course! any team will take that, regardless of the ERA. but for comparison, Arrieta's final 12 starts in 2015 added up to 88 innings (7.1 IP/game, 0.41 ERA), and Flaherty's final 12 starts in 2016 were over 82 innings (almost 7 IP/game, 0.77 ERA).
and that's all i got. although i was also idly considering this terrible scenario:
what if degrom continues being superhuman this year and 2022, but then dr andrews visits him in the night and his arm mysteriously explodes soon afterward, and he ends up retiring after 2023 with a career line of 50+ WAR but less than 100 "wins". hall of famer? i guess Koufax is a comparison.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 15:46 (two years ago) link
I think without the injury scares he definitely goes more innings.
― Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 16:09 (two years ago) link
dang, gooden's first 12 starts in 1985 covered 94 innings, and he had 16 complete games that year! seems as far away from today's game as gibson probably did to gooden's
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 16:17 (two years ago) link
He does have a 2.74 career ERA in the 7th inning (.244/.280/.375), so obviously they are wary.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Tuesday, 22 June 2021 16:29 (two years ago) link
re: deGrom.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Tuesday, 22 June 2021 16:30 (two years ago) link
Whether he wins a third Cy would likely figure into any HOF consideration; there are no non-PED three-time Cy or MVP winners not in the HOF.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 16:58 (two years ago) link
I think I said this in the other thread, but I do think he needs the third Cy, plus to be excellent for the next three years to meet the bare minimum of the hall. A no hitter plus some good post season work would also help, as would pitching well deep into his late thirties. It’s probably too early to make any predictions until he gets to the ten-year mark in 2024.
― Michael F Gill, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 22:18 (two years ago) link
he’s getting in imo
― k3vin k., Saturday, 26 June 2021 21:26 (two years ago) link
Choppy day, but he got out of a bases-loaded/none-out situation with only one run. Two for the day through six innings, ERA has ballooned to 0.69. (BA up to .414...)
― clemenza, Saturday, 26 June 2021 21:53 (two years ago) link
He gave up 2ER on three hits in 6 IP ... and his ERA went up by 40%!
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Sunday, 27 June 2021 07:13 (two years ago) link
gonna try to watch a little tonight.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 1 July 2021 21:23 (two years ago) link
or the entire thing. whatever.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 1 July 2021 21:24 (two years ago) link
Well I guess I jinxed that.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 1 July 2021 23:49 (two years ago) link
his ERA is now 1.03 as of the end of the first!
*drudge sirens*
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 July 2021 23:50 (two years ago) link
how's his rpms looking
― ✖, Thursday, 1 July 2021 23:53 (two years ago) link
small sample so far, but up from his season average, and higher velo as well
https://i.imgur.com/zTU9orR.png
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 1 July 2021 23:59 (two years ago) link
ah so he's just regular bad now
it was a good career
― ✖, Friday, 2 July 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link
he could have been a hall of famer
― Karl Malone, Friday, 2 July 2021 00:09 (two years ago) link
comeback player of the year
― ✖, Friday, 2 July 2021 00:54 (two years ago) link
The thing I love about deGrom is how even when he doesn't have his best stuff he figures things out. So many games where he gives up 1-2 runs in the 1st or 2nd inning on 20+ pitches, then he starts bearing down and you look up and its the 6th and he's thrown 85 pitches and no one else even got on.
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― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Friday, 2 July 2021 01:25 (two years ago) link
Meant as a joke, I know, but--and I do realize how insane this sounds--it really does feel like his HOF status is a precarious house of cards where one awful start could matter. I wrote about that last week:
http://phildellio.tripod.com/
Short version: an awful start would deny him any chance at the the record, which--in tandem with falling short of the qualifying IP--could cost him a third Cy, which then, down the road, could leave his HOF status on the fence.
His career is just so strange in terms of historical precedent.
― clemenza, Friday, 2 July 2021 13:57 (two years ago) link
I think his HOF chances are pretty safe. He can be mediocre for the next 4 years and I think he’d still be a shoe in. But it’s not like he’s in any sort of decline right now.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 2 July 2021 15:34 (two years ago) link
i think to get in he'll have to have either keep up for a few more years (better than mediocre, not necessarily world-beating) and/or have some sort of Legendary Moment near the end
― Karl Malone, Friday, 2 July 2021 15:37 (two years ago) link
if puts up a 4.08 ERA from 2022-25, in other words, the mystique will be gone. people forget quickly
― Karl Malone, Friday, 2 July 2021 15:38 (two years ago) link
To me it comes down to two things: Cys and how much the value of wins has been discounted (or will have been discounted by the time he's eligible) compared to, say, 20 years ago--50%? 70% completely? One good thing is that his lack of run support has probably been scrutinized and publicized more than any pitcher ever. Don't think I'd go so far as "pretty safe," not yet.
― clemenza, Friday, 2 July 2021 16:25 (two years ago) link