Covidiots in music

people are going to draw different lines in the sand for different artists as to where their support begins and ends.

and invariably, people like wins will show up to police said lines in the sand because that's what he does.

seems pretty cyclical to me.

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Yeah, there's not that many options we have when it comes to that, so a lot of different levels of bad get the same reaction.

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but "not buying their stuff" is a pretty mild thing to do in the end so I think it's fine to be trigger happy w/ it.

the main reason I'm not interested in policing said behavior is because the average person has massive contradictions on the line they draw for when to support someone, I'm not interested in telling someone they're 'overreacting', I'm not interested in saying "you're a bad person for buying this record". just another component of the social media-driven "purity testing" that we seem to do with everybody.

I won't buy albums from Nazis, racists or other people of KNOWN questionable behavior. that's always been my view since people tried to foist Graveland on me when I was first getting into metal.

This may not be the thread to discuss it, but what is the “motivation” behind AIDS denialism? I’ve never grasped that at any level. Is it basically rooted in homophobia, a desire to see HIV go untreated, etc.?

many of them think that AIDS is not caused by HIV, and usually it's because they want to blame the behavior of the sexually deviant or drug users, or the medicine themselves. some of them are alternative medicine kooks that believe all medicine is toxic and evil.

Nate Mendel of Foo Fighters is one of those fine AIDS denialist assholes

that plague raves article was awful and pretty much ruined my evening after reading it the other night. that said, "plague rave" would be a pretty cool album title/band name/genre descriptor.

that said, "plague rave" would be a pretty cool album title/band name/genre descriptor.

Probably Dominick Fernow's next thing.

In that Clapton video he says he lost the use of his hand for a time after the vaccination and frankly that seems like a win to me.

Eric “No Hand” Clapton

Nate Mendel of Foo Fighters is one of those fine AIDS denialist assholes

tbf it has been over 21 years since he said anything publicly about AIDS (and over 12 years since his one example of HIV not leading to AIDS died of *checks notes* AIDS), it’s possible that he stopped thinking it privately too.

I feel like when you're in one of the most notorious rock groups in the world, and you organize a fundraiser for a destructive group like Maggiore's, and link to them on your website until 2008, you probably owe it to yourself to loudly walk back your earlier support rather than just going quiet and hoping nobody remembers. especially when you may have lead fans to this "AIDS denialism" rabbit hole.

it's not exactly like Peart fellating Ayn Rand in his early 20s.

There was an open letter recently: https://48hills.org/2021/05/opinion-aids-denialism-in-the-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame/

I'd have to imagine that he's been made aware of it; y'know?

you probably owe it to yourself to loudly walk back your earlier support rather than just going quiet and hoping nobody remembers.

this, 100%

It's definitely preferable!

But there's also a lot to be said for a famous person to realise "oh my god I am a gigantic dumbass, I will stop making public statements about anything other than bass guitar," and doing so. And he might have thought that bringing it up again at any point after the three months he was involved in denialism would only amplify the dangerous misinformation. (Or he might still think it, 21 years later, who knows.)

link to them on your website until 2008,

again tbf: it looks like the "causes" page was created c. January 2001, updated c. October 2002 (the Nader link may have added in between, but the blurb/link about their album being carbon-neutral pins that one down), and as far as the evidence shows, deleted altogether in February 2003 when somebody in the Foos office noticed, or they were doing a routine revamp of the site. This does not look like a site the band were heavily involved with day-to-day.

Good on them for keeping ranked-choice voting advocacy on the list in the apparently-new 2007-08 version, though, and updating the carbon netural link to an active organisation. Sucks if the one member did keep just asking questions about AIDS after March 2000, and it's absolutely terrible that he promoted Just Asking Questions from Jan-March 2000, but there's no clear evidence that he did anything after that.

I'm gonna keep boycotting them just to be safe tho.

It’s the Foo fighters, they’re meat and potatoes boring rock, it easy to not buy their shit.

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Hard to interpret the comments by Will Oldham in the first half of this article - but that’s how he sounds these days, I guess.

ha, seems like he could be calling the anti-maskers cowards there based on the last graf

I think it's pretty clear that he's calling people cowards if they were for lockdowns and remain cautious...but whatever, I truly don't care about the guy or his sad bastard music.

this is the 3rd thing I've read recently where he comes off as kind of an @sshole... (guess the "@ssholes in music" thead would be neverending, lol).

weird for an interviewer not to ask him to expand on that a little bit

why the google proof

when I'm typing from a work computer I sometimes do that out of habit

omg google for asshole and find

Isaac Brock of Modest Mouse turns out to be extremely pilled, going deep into gang stalking, targeted individuals, touchless torture, voice-to-skull mind control, and UFOs. It should be noted that many of these concepts have never been proven to exist. pic.twitter.com/dfTRtGQUMK

— Mike Rothschild (@rothschildmd) June 16, 2021

Feels kinda like 'started taking substances to make sure I stayed awake' precludes absolutely everything else in there.

A pal recently sent me an interview with Mark Lanegan - he's deeply into that stuff, too. 5G conspiracies, the whole bit.

https://y.yarn.co/f65fe056-1d4a-4a0a-bd19-a6b28ff9825e_text.gif

Isaac Brock has always seemed like a particularly uh "suggestible" individual but he doesn't seem to mention anything about Covid there, not that I want to know his thoughts

A pal recently sent me an interview with Mark Lanegan - he's deeply into that stuff, too. 5G conspiracies, the whole bit.

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Okay, that's depressing.

I'm almost certain there's a causal link between drugged-out rock musicians and covidiocy, can't quite put my finger on it right now though.

Are you at least enjoying Netflix like the rest of us?

I could if my wife hadn’t torn all of the big-screen TVs out of our house when she found a face scan of herself on the screen behind the screen of one of the TVs. Which are made in China, of course. She actually found a face scan of her head, with a log to see how many decibels her ears could take, how thick was her head. And any computer or television has a screen behind the screen — this is stuff that I’ve just come to find out. And she’s like a wizard at getting past codes and figuring out how to make code into text — it’s just a natural ability she has. But this scared the shit out of her, and she said, “I don’t want any of these TVs in my house.” And we had three of ‘em — in the bedroom, the spare room, and the front room — and now we have none, and I don’t miss ‘em. So I’m just looking at the news on the computer now. But when she first showed it to me, I thought, “Well, this is reminiscent of when an old friend drops by with a crazy, manic story, and the more he told it, the less sense it made. And a couple of days later he’s in the psych ward — that kind of thing.

(xp) A few too many braincells have gone bye bye.

God, he seemed really clear-headed just a few years ago.

thank god computers are safe

Not even just drugged-out, but people who have spent their lives exercising the part of their brains that deals with abstract thought, and then on top of that spending their lives living on the margins of "normal" society - out on the road all the time, working off-hours in night clubs and stuff. It's disappointing, but not surprising. I'm more surprised when someone who has lived this kind of life suddenly gets all conservative in their old age.

that oldham article is really poorly written, it's so hard to understand the context and his intent behind the comments

There's a screen behind every screen except the screen I'm looking at right now, thank god.

Yeah, dude is fucken gone.

haha yeah ditching your TVs because you are worried about being tracked to opt for....a PC....is an interesting choice

Lanegan goes on to talk about software stuff in that SPIN interview (something that particularly sucks about it is how the interviewer kind of makes a show of agreeing with his points and egging him on, especially re: Covid restrictions).

Look, he didn't say he was worried about having his head measured by a webcam, just by the underlying screen of a television set. This isn't hard.

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how thick was her head

I really mean to leaaarn

that oldham article is really poorly written, it’s so hard to understand the context and his intent behind the comments

Exactly. Does he mean people who refuse to wear masks are cowards? Or the people who don’t want to leave the house because of all the assholes not wearing masks, etc? Kind of important to be explicit about that, like.

As for the Lanegan thing… anyone who’s read his memoir should understand the kind of person he thinks he is.

yeah I guess with some of these...I don't care that much? in that I see really zero real world chance that Mark Lanegan's views on Covid matter at all and I sort of assumed he was real out there personally?