For the record I think very highly of Soto.
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 13 June 2021 16:32 (one year ago) link
True, but couldn't you same the same of Guerrero (even more so) if you removed his 62 games from this year? But you don't--the assumption is that this year is closer to his real ability, just like I'd say Soto's first three years combined (.295/.415/.557) are closer to his. Even this year, he's still getting on base 40% of the time.
well i did make sure to caveat that ("so far we're projecting a lot based on a really good 62 games") but like thermo said vlad has the benefit of doing it right now instead of last year. his progression looks like ..' and soto's looks like ..'. so it's easier for us to say "vlad has taken a legitimate step forward" like everyone was saying about soto last year. but vlad also has the benefit of his prospect pedigree making him one of the best hitting prospects ever, whereas soto didn't really have a chance to reach that level in the minors. and vlad also benefits from the narrative (he lost weight and now he's the true vlad) which could work against him too
though i fully admit i'm probably just down on soto because he's had a disappointing year and i'm a short attention spanned fantasy player
with tatis - he's been one of the worst defensive players in the league this year by UZR/DRS/OAA. he leads the league in errors despite missing a bunch of games. don't know if it's the yips, a crappy shoulder, or if he's actually just outgrown the position (scouts and analysts had him making the move to 3B in his prospect years). he was a negative there in 2019 as well. his "defense" rating on fangraphs has been negative 2/3 years, and that factors in positional adjustment. this really complicates the defense argument for me. obviously the padres can't try him at 3B but that might be his best position. still better than 1B/RF but not by as much
― ✖, Sunday, 13 June 2021 16:41 (one year ago) link
Yeah, I don't know why I said that. Mookieproof called him incredible too...just ✖ is the skeptic, and he's explained that now.
Is Acuna the only one of the four who hasn't had any kind of physical issues thus far (I'm including Vlad's weight, which may now be in the past)?
― clemenza, Sunday, 13 June 2021 16:43 (one year ago) link
tbf Acuna could play CF it’s just the Braves have/had better supposed defensive options ahead of him that haven’t hit well so far (Pache, Inciarte, etc.). He has spelled in CF a decent amount in his career.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 13 June 2021 16:56 (one year ago) link
The only substantial time missed for Acuna was when he got drilled by Urena iirc
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 13 June 2021 18:11 (one year ago) link
Not watching a lot of NL games - I actually had no idea Tatis was *that* bad at SS
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 13 June 2021 19:34 (one year ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Monday, 21 June 2021 00:01 (one year ago) link
With Wander Franco up tomorrow, all four guys are yesterday's news now.
― clemenza, Monday, 21 June 2021 14:52 (one year ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Tuesday, 22 June 2021 00:01 (one year ago) link
― mookieproof, Sunday, 11 July 2021 01:19 (eleven months ago) link
out for 9-10 months
― ✖, Sunday, 11 July 2021 03:43 (eleven months ago) link
Absolutely awful but finally hope this gets the team to realize they aren’t going anywhere this season and just start cutting deals.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 11 July 2021 08:06 (eleven months ago) link