Covidiots in music

christ who was that guy. google only brings up gilad atzmon who is also a scumbag but it wasn't him I'm sure

(I'm well aware my concerns about this sound like total NoSD hairsplitting to some ppl not necessarily here since I'm already in the conspiracy crowd for accusing the govt of eugenics and stuff)

I seem to recall an article about that sax player written by someone who managed a festival that he played at, contending that he SHOULD be allowed to preach anti-abortion on stage, because that is "artistic free expression", but he SHOULD NOT be allowed to say those things in everyday life.

lol

idk how many other musicians in his orbit either share these views or would feel obliged to defend his right to an opinion, or if he's already alienated most of them.

― Left, Friday, June 11, 2021 1:21 PM (two hours ago)

I sort of have loose/distant connections to people who know Evan P, and there's definitely been a move from "shuffling uncomfortably" to actively distancing themselves/a few vocal call-outs.

So far I haven't seen any mutuals with Charles Hayward calling him out, though I don't know how close any of my friends actually are with him.

What happened to the free jazz saxophonist who used to interrupt his shows for long anti-abortion rants, maybe ten or so years ago?

― Halfway there but for you, Friday, June 11, 2021 10:13 AM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

That was Charles Gayle. He's been doing that anti-abortion shit -- and nasty homophobic rants -- since at least 1996.

evan obv needs to hook up with van for a vaxaphobes w/ saxophones livestream so that I can not listen to them again both at the same time

xxp first part is good to hear. idk the scene beyond going to cafe oto a couple of times so not sure if he's been known for this kind of thing for a while or not. whole thing is kind of sad really but fuck him

christ I really hope anthony braxton isn't into this stuff. wouldn't occur to me if I hadn't heard his complaints about woke culture the other day but I know he's always had some "alternative" beliefs and has been friends with evan. that would hurt more than any of the above wankers

ok this speculation doesn't help anyone

Lots of people collab(ed) with EP, doubt they all think the same way.

Hell he and Derek Bailey couldn't agree on lunch.

you stole my joke

"descension" is one of the best jazz records released this year, afaic. as i mentioned on the jazz thread, i felt no scruples about downloading it off slsk, because I dont want EP getting a damn penny.

Parker and Matt Shipp have worked together a lot; if they ever actually talked about this it would get loud in a hurry.

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— Stephen Nolan (@StephenNolan) June 11, 2021

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That was Charles Gayle. He's been doing that anti-abortion shit -- and nasty homophobic rants -- since at least 1996.

I have definitely paid good money to watch Charles Gayle at, where else, Cafe Oto. Not now.

Van Morrison in stage with Ian Paisley (Jr) - talk about going back to your roots.

Not liking this new coda to "Cypress Avenue"...

He lives through the civil rights movement in the USA, the Troubles, Bloody Sunday etc and can’t be bothered to write a line. Make him wash his hands and he pens three protest songs

as for Cafe OTO, what is it with them and edgelords?

Some fans turn against Foo Fighters after hearing concert-goers need proof of vaccination

the drummer of Gay Dad.

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(j/k, i don’t know what nick crowe thinks)

"descension" is one of the best jazz records released this year, afaic. as i mentioned on the jazz thread, i felt no scruples about downloading it off slsk, because I dont want EP getting a damn penny.

― heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Friday, June 11, 2021 11:45 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

sorry but this is nonsense. How much money do you think EP is getting from an LP run of, what, 700 copies? I'm guessing he received a few artist copies, maybe. Downloading it off Soulseek is only hurting the label, Eremite (as well as Abrams). But you knew that already.

fuck off

I don't want a shilling going to that crypto-fash bastard. I've bought other records from Eremite.

xpost "I don't want EP getting a damn penny" does not = "I want to bankrupt EP with my boycott", it means "I'm trying to keep my conscience clean by not giving my money to this monster"

So the record doesn't sell, the label says, "Fuck this, we're not putting anything out by this asshole again". And so it goes.

your position makes sense tabes, ignore the pedantic correction from Ponzi

As I've said before on this thread, his views don't bother me in the slightest. He's 100% wrong, obviously, but that doesn't stop me from buying his CDs and attending his concerts.

decision comes down to the individual

The conscious decision to financially support nazis is really between you and your god

I didn't know who this guys was before this thread, but after reading the Wire article he seems to think the Nazis were behind the EU and AIDS is a hoax. Stupid wild-eyed conspiracy shit for sure, but do these views make him a fascist and/or Nazi?

does it matter?

Being an AIDS denialist in 2021 is frankly pretty nazish in real-world effect if not necessarily in benefit-of-doubt babe-in-the-woods intent; same for covid denialism really but yes there is the barest straw of plausible deniability to clutch at if you are heavily invested in excusing it

I mean by all means send money to skrewdriver and publicly express bafflement that others might not but

does it matter?

Not to you.

this is pretty awful: https://5mag.net/features/plague-raves-zanzibar/

My main takeaway from Eric Clapton trending on Twitter is the surprising number of ways people can misspell vaccine

what a fucking pathetic drama queen, my mum's the same age as him and a cancer survivor and made less of a fuss over the side effects. My partner has MS and was completely debilitated for 24 hours and didn't complain about it. Anyway I just download everything from slsk these days ༼ ºل͟º ༽

I can't imagine Clapton releasing anything in 2021 that would even be worth the effort of searching for in slsk, let alone actively purchasing.

No more lies
No more lies
He depise
Vaccine

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oh of course and he's always been a pile o' cack imo. I was just blatantly trolling a poster itt tbh!

IMO it's perfectly fine to listen to Evan Parker and even give him money for his musical work even though he's being a weirdo

just because someone is being a gigantic asshole doesn't mean you have to stop buying the things they're selling that you like

Andrew Lloyd Webber, the producer of musicals including Cats, has pledged to reopen his theaters this month “come hell or high water,” telling the Telegraph newspaper that he is willing to be arrested.

been asking for him to be arrested since Phantom, finally!

xp

of course you don't have to, but it's a pretty fair and reasonable option to say fuck 'em and dl their stuff from slsk and boycott their live events.

this is pretty awful: https://5mag.net/features/plague-raves-zanzibar🕸/

Maybe it's just me, but while it is extremely disappointing to hear this shit from Parker, having a shitty opinion on COVID isn't quite on the same level as, say, openly espousing Nazi ideals or being a serial sexual assaulter.

Once you fall down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole it's pretty difficult not to end up at least a useful idiot for nazi-style ideologies tho.

(xp) And the shitty opinions on AIDS?