xps penny rimbaud came up earlier i think. maybe this is more for the brain worms thread but what makes this so frustrating is how familiar it is, how predicable the trajectory is and how it seems almost impossible to stop or reverse it. I have known too many of these people. but it troubles me so much all concerns about the way things are being handled seem to be funneled in this very fashy direction almost as a matter of course now
― Left, Friday, 11 June 2021 14:17 (two years ago) link
christ who was that guy. google only brings up gilad atzmon who is also a scumbag but it wasn't him I'm sure
― Left, Friday, 11 June 2021 14:21 (two years ago) link
(I'm well aware my concerns about this sound like total NoSD hairsplitting to some ppl not necessarily here since I'm already in the conspiracy crowd for accusing the govt of eugenics and stuff)
― Left, Friday, 11 June 2021 14:30 (two years ago) link
I seem to recall an article about that sax player written by someone who managed a festival that he played at, contending that he SHOULD be allowed to preach anti-abortion on stage, because that is "artistic free expression", but he SHOULD NOT be allowed to say those things in everyday life.
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, 11 June 2021 14:33 (two years ago) link
lol
― Daniel_Rf, Friday, 11 June 2021 14:46 (two years ago) link
idk how many other musicians in his orbit either share these views or would feel obliged to defend his right to an opinion, or if he's already alienated most of them.
― Left, Friday, June 11, 2021 1:21 PM (two hours ago)
I sort of have loose/distant connections to people who know Evan P, and there's definitely been a move from "shuffling uncomfortably" to actively distancing themselves/a few vocal call-outs.
So far I haven't seen any mutuals with Charles Hayward calling him out, though I don't know how close any of my friends actually are with him.
― emil.y, Friday, 11 June 2021 14:53 (two years ago) link
What happened to the free jazz saxophonist who used to interrupt his shows for long anti-abortion rants, maybe ten or so years ago?
― Halfway there but for you, Friday, June 11, 2021 10:13 AM (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
That was Charles Gayle. He's been doing that anti-abortion shit -- and nasty homophobic rants -- since at least 1996.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 11 June 2021 14:57 (two years ago) link
evan obv needs to hook up with van for a vaxaphobes w/ saxophones livestream so that I can not listen to them again both at the same time
― building a hole (NickB), Friday, 11 June 2021 14:58 (two years ago) link
xxp first part is good to hear. idk the scene beyond going to cafe oto a couple of times so not sure if he's been known for this kind of thing for a while or not. whole thing is kind of sad really but fuck him
― Left, Friday, 11 June 2021 15:02 (two years ago) link
christ I really hope anthony braxton isn't into this stuff. wouldn't occur to me if I hadn't heard his complaints about woke culture the other day but I know he's always had some "alternative" beliefs and has been friends with evan. that would hurt more than any of the above wankers
― Left, Friday, 11 June 2021 15:06 (two years ago) link
ok this speculation doesn't help anyone
― Left, Friday, 11 June 2021 15:08 (two years ago) link
Lots of people collab(ed) with EP, doubt they all think the same way.
― Van Halen dot Senate dot flashlight (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 11 June 2021 15:19 (two years ago) link
Hell he and Derek Bailey couldn't agree on lunch.
― Van Halen dot Senate dot flashlight (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 11 June 2021 15:20 (two years ago) link
you stole my joke
― Left, Friday, 11 June 2021 15:22 (two years ago) link
"descension" is one of the best jazz records released this year, afaic. as i mentioned on the jazz thread, i felt no scruples about downloading it off slsk, because I dont want EP getting a damn penny.
― heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Friday, 11 June 2021 15:45 (two years ago) link
Parker and Matt Shipp have worked together a lot; if they ever actually talked about this it would get loud in a hurry.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 11 June 2021 15:50 (two years ago) link
This is Extra ordinary . pic.twitter.com/M0jmA0JIf2— Stephen Nolan (@StephenNolan) June 11, 2021
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57443478
― PaulTMA, Friday, 11 June 2021 16:06 (two years ago) link
I have definitely paid good money to watch Charles Gayle at, where else, Cafe Oto. Not now.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 11 June 2021 19:20 (two years ago) link
Van Morrison in stage with Ian Paisley (Jr) - talk about going back to your roots.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Friday, 11 June 2021 19:22 (two years ago) link
Not liking this new coda to "Cypress Avenue"...
― blue whales on ambient (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 11 June 2021 19:26 (two years ago) link
He lives through the civil rights movement in the USA, the Troubles, Bloody Sunday etc and can’t be bothered to write a line. Make him wash his hands and he pens three protest songs
as for Cafe OTO, what is it with them and edgelords?
― stirmonster, Friday, 11 June 2021 23:25 (two years ago) link
Some fans turn against Foo Fighters after hearing concert-goers need proof of vaccination
― like a d4mn sociopath! (morrisp), Saturday, 12 June 2021 05:30 (two years ago) link
the drummer of Gay Dad.
.
(j/k, i don’t know what nick crowe thinks)
― barreras, Saturday, 12 June 2021 07:06 (two years ago) link
― heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Friday, June 11, 2021 11:45 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
sorry but this is nonsense. How much money do you think EP is getting from an LP run of, what, 700 copies? I'm guessing he received a few artist copies, maybe. Downloading it off Soulseek is only hurting the label, Eremite (as well as Abrams). But you knew that already.
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 12 June 2021 09:51 (two years ago) link
fuck off
― heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Saturday, 12 June 2021 17:31 (two years ago) link
I don't want a shilling going to that crypto-fash bastard. I've bought other records from Eremite.
― heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Saturday, 12 June 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link
xpost "I don't want EP getting a damn penny" does not = "I want to bankrupt EP with my boycott", it means "I'm trying to keep my conscience clean by not giving my money to this monster"
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 12 June 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link
So the record doesn't sell, the label says, "Fuck this, we're not putting anything out by this asshole again". And so it goes.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 12 June 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link
your position makes sense tabes, ignore the pedantic correction from Ponzi
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 12 June 2021 17:35 (two years ago) link
As I've said before on this thread, his views don't bother me in the slightest. He's 100% wrong, obviously, but that doesn't stop me from buying his CDs and attending his concerts.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Saturday, 12 June 2021 17:38 (two years ago) link
decision comes down to the individual
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Saturday, 12 June 2021 17:38 (two years ago) link
The conscious decision to financially support nazis is really between you and your god
― The 💨 that shook the barlow (wins), Saturday, 12 June 2021 18:23 (two years ago) link
I didn't know who this guys was before this thread, but after reading the Wire article he seems to think the Nazis were behind the EU and AIDS is a hoax. Stupid wild-eyed conspiracy shit for sure, but do these views make him a fascist and/or Nazi?
― beard papa, Saturday, 12 June 2021 18:47 (two years ago) link
does it matter?
― Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 12 June 2021 18:56 (two years ago) link
Being an AIDS denialist in 2021 is frankly pretty nazish in real-world effect if not necessarily in benefit-of-doubt babe-in-the-woods intent; same for covid denialism really but yes there is the barest straw of plausible deniability to clutch at if you are heavily invested in excusing it
― The 💨 that shook the barlow (wins), Saturday, 12 June 2021 18:58 (two years ago) link
I mean by all means send money to skrewdriver and publicly express bafflement that others might not but
― The 💨 that shook the barlow (wins), Saturday, 12 June 2021 18:59 (two years ago) link
Not to you.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 12 June 2021 19:40 (two years ago) link
this is pretty awful: https://5mag.net/features/plague-raves-zanzibar/
― trap door to hell opens underneath (rob), Saturday, 12 June 2021 20:33 (two years ago) link
My main takeaway from Eric Clapton trending on Twitter is the surprising number of ways people can misspell vaccine
― groovypanda, Monday, 14 June 2021 07:30 (two years ago) link
what a fucking pathetic drama queen, my mum's the same age as him and a cancer survivor and made less of a fuss over the side effects. My partner has MS and was completely debilitated for 24 hours and didn't complain about it. Anyway I just download everything from slsk these days ༼ ºل͟º ༽
― calzino, Monday, 14 June 2021 09:19 (two years ago) link
I can't imagine Clapton releasing anything in 2021 that would even be worth the effort of searching for in slsk, let alone actively purchasing.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 June 2021 13:48 (two years ago) link
No more liesNo more liesHe depiseVaccine
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 June 2021 13:53 (two years ago) link
xp
oh of course and he's always been a pile o' cack imo. I was just blatantly trolling a poster itt tbh!
― calzino, Monday, 14 June 2021 13:55 (two years ago) link
IMO it's perfectly fine to listen to Evan Parker and even give him money for his musical work even though he's being a weirdo
― eisimpleir (crüt), Monday, 14 June 2021 13:56 (two years ago) link
just because someone is being a gigantic asshole doesn't mean you have to stop buying the things they're selling that you like
― eisimpleir (crüt), Monday, 14 June 2021 13:57 (two years ago) link
Andrew Lloyd Webber, the producer of musicals including Cats, has pledged to reopen his theaters this month “come hell or high water,” telling the Telegraph newspaper that he is willing to be arrested.
been asking for him to be arrested since Phantom, finally!
― cancel culture club (Neanderthal), Monday, 14 June 2021 14:02 (two years ago) link
of course you don't have to, but it's a pretty fair and reasonable option to say fuck 'em and dl their stuff from slsk and boycott their live events.
― calzino, Monday, 14 June 2021 14:13 (two years ago) link
this is pretty awful: https://5mag.net/features/plague-raves-zanzibar🕸/
― Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Monday, 14 June 2021 14:13 (two years ago) link
Maybe it's just me, but while it is extremely disappointing to hear this shit from Parker, having a shitty opinion on COVID isn't quite on the same level as, say, openly espousing Nazi ideals or being a serial sexual assaulter.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 14 June 2021 14:20 (two years ago) link
Once you fall down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole it's pretty difficult not to end up at least a useful idiot for nazi-style ideologies tho.
― Daniel_Rf, Monday, 14 June 2021 14:23 (two years ago) link