Lindsey Buckingham: C o' D?

And after 22 years or something right? Also sounds like she filed for divorce from him. Maybe that's why he sold his gajillion dollar Bel Air mansion. Going to get a bachelor pad.

Quick reminder LB’s girlfriend during the Rumors/Tusk period wrote about his abuse in her autobiography.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-IKgoPjv00

“On the Wrong Side” is about the peaks and valleys of life on the road with Fleetwood Mac, and sports one of the album’s most thought-provoking lyric: “We were young, now we’re old / Who can tell me which is worse?” The song evokes “Go Your Own Way,” in that it’s not a happy song, subject-matter wise, but it was an ebullient song musically. This was sort of the same idea.

Not a good sign when Marc Maron looks like the healthy one:

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/s1080x2048/227103336_366236324860408_8423276956210511833_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-3&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=EGvW0UC4PJYAX-IWRDx&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-1.xx&oh=37874af922b46d4615735482115259c6&oe=6107F9F8

He's 71! A pretty good 71

Fair enough. Lotta sun.

LB looks like he steps out of the shower and rides the matterhorn every morning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=selaVY2iYQ0

tight

It's his best since Out of the Cradle. Melodically on-point.

i suspected it might be as much!!!

and the songs posted here aren't even the best

Dude remains an ingenious and utterly distinctive arranger.

still wish Fleetwood Mac had gotten their mitts into these lovely demos

lol, you know they would sound 90% the same, only with the occasional Christine McVie harmony or Stevie popping up on backing vocals.

Thanks for the tip Alfred - really looking forward to this now.

The hypocrisy and bitter, passive-aggressive doublespeak in the new Lindsey interview in the LA Times (that I saw incorporated into a Variety article), from all involved, is pretty hilarious. Lindsey considers himself not “as aggressive” and “less self-involved” as he has been in the past, but admits he had asked the band asked to delay its 2018 tour in order to promote his new music. Stevie claims she did not have him fired. "To be exceedingly clear, I did not have him fired, I did not ask for him to be fired, I did not demand he be fired. Frankly, I fired myself. I proactively removed myself from the band and a situation I considered to be toxic to my wellbeing. I was done. If the band went on without me, so be it. And after many lengthy group discussions, Fleetwood Mac, a band whose legacy is rooted in evolution and change, found a new path forward with two hugely talented new members."

So ... she fired herself and had to be talked back into the band, yet somehow she is there and Buckingham is not?

And then Azoff claims to have "been aligned with Stevie Nicks in thought and purpose from the earliest of days," whatever that means, with the delicious kicker that "while financial gain was not a motivator for me, it was a delightful bonus that the band scored their highest grossing tour ever without Lindsey.” Sure, Irv, you didn't care about the money.

So it sounds to me that:

Lindsey was his usual my way or the highway asshole self, and was willing to sacrifice monetary gain to get it.
Stevie used her position in the band as leverage to get Lindsey out and probably a bigger cut of the proceeds.
Notorious asshole Azoff probably played a role in the mess to guarantee a big payday for the 2018 tour.

Lindsey throws some bombs his other bandmates' ways, too:

Mick Fleetwood has “never quite gotten to the point where he’s financially stable all the time,” Buckingham says of the band’s namesake. “He’s been married and divorced many times. He’s just not smart with his money.”

The same theory applies to Christine McVie, whom Buckingham says sent him an email after his firing that read: “I’m really sorry that I didn’t stand up for you, but I just bought a house.” (Both she and Fleetwood declined to comment for this article.)

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2021-09-08/lindsey-buckingham-fleetwood-mac-stevie-nicks

I rather liked this thread in response:

This is a fascinating LA Times story by @AmyKinLA on the split b/w Lindsey Buckingham and Fleetwood Mac. https://t.co/u7NRPqzrr1

I'm on Team Lindsey, but for the record he's out of his mind.

— ʙɪʟʟ ᴡʏᴍᴀɴ (@hitsville) September 9, 2021

Especially these two bits, which just makes me think of why Bruce Willis keeps doing what he does. At what point do you just not have financial planning or don't have anyone around you who does?

I'm on Team Christine, too, but what does she spend her money on?!?

The band grossed more than $100 million touring as recently as 2019.

— ʙɪʟʟ ᴡʏᴍᴀɴ (@hitsville) September 9, 2021

David Crosby has been whining about his financial situation as well. He has a mortgage to pay, he says.

Me, I can remember when CSN were pioneering the $200 concert ticket.

— ʙɪʟʟ ᴡʏᴍᴀɴ (@hitsville) September 9, 2021

Deep in the replies, this anecdote:

40 yrs ago I was a college student waitressing an end-of-tour Halloween party 4 the band. Christine unkindly told young me that my costume was "not very original." Mick hit a busboy because we couldn't serve alcohol after 02:00. It was 30 yrs B4 I could enjoy their music again.

— A Texan In Scottsdale (@WiseOldTexan) September 9, 2021

Is it in fact possible that the only sane member of the band is...Neil Finn?

would pay money to not hear any of the members of fleetwood mac talk about each other ever again

Fleetwood Mac: The Debate Tour

I forget what book it was in, but I once read a breakdown of how much basic upkeep in a giant mansion alone costs. Potentially tens of thousands of dollars a month in mortgage, heating, electric, landscaping, staff, pool maintenance, that kind of stuff. Now multiply that times several houses or properties, factor in a lifestyle that long ago outsourced the logistics of money and other boring stuff like that to accountants and managers and other yes-men leeches who know the bottom line and what it takes to maintain said lifestyle yet at the same time encourage it, and it's no wonder these big babies have so much trouble with money. The article claims Lindsey would have made $12 million on that 2018 tour, so figure everyone else in the band made something more or less similar. That's a ton of money, but I don't know how far it goes if you're bad with cashflow and impulsively buy, like, islands or castles or shit like that. (I'm looking at you, Nic Cage and Johnny Depp, you big dummies.) When was the last time any of these lunatics probably even carried a wallet?

I hate the thought of "Team Lindey."

Men are so stupid.

Lindsey even

But we must have teams or we have no identity and *cries, flails*

For all the collective bullshit John has done such a good job extracting himself that there is no Team John.

Maybe Team John is really Team Put Your Money in the Bank and Make Sound Investments.

the way lindsay acts doesn't do much to dispel the account of him being a manipulative abuser

...but I just bought a house

As someone looking into home ownership, I'd just like to say I commiserate with this excuse far more now than I ever did before. Buying a home, any home, is expensive shit in every possible way!

I daresay hanging out with Neil Finn night after night and earning money for a house sounds better than doing the same with Buckingham.

But Bill Wyman makes a good point. I'm not 1/5th of any $200 million grossing endeavor.

Or $100 million I should say

You're just not posting the right way yet!

Yeah, still learning...I'm a slow learner all right!

When was the last time any of these lunatics probably even carried a wallet?

That reminds me of my favorite Paul McCartney impression. From Dana Carvey's stand-up, probably from the '80s before SNL:

"Linda! I lost me wallet! It had a million dollars in it...I'd hate to go back to the bank and get another million."

I read somewhere that the Beatles never carried money or wallets post-Beatlemania.

Picasso never needed a wallet.

Would anything have been missed, musically, if he had just kept his distance from the band post 1988? A couple of songs on Say You Will, maybe? Plus a stronger solo career, which seems to be his focus anyway?

he should forget about FM, join forces with & write an album for little big town. it would rule....maybe even reach the charts.

xpost I think what's clear is that it's the *band* that needed him. Even "Tango," a lot of that is essentially solo Bucky, as was "Tusk." They had to lure him back (again) for the reunion, and then lured him back *again* for Say You Will, because they needed his (more or less complete) songs. As the Times article noted, his new solo album was apparently done 4 years ago, so he's just been sitting on his hands (health scares aside). No doubt had the band decided to do something in the studio they would have borrowed at least some of his solo stuff (as they did for Say You Will). Neil Finn and Mike Campbell are great, great songwriters, but there is no way this current version of FM (which is probably done, anyway) is going to write and record anything new. They're too cautious and unmotivated. That's the crux of it.

Nicks has said she has no interest in a new album because she thinks it won't sell or something.

Xp Didn’t Lindsey quit/got fired because he was pushing for recording new material rather than touring? Stevie made it pretty clear that she didn’t see the financial point in putting out new music

Yeah, both right. I was just thinking of the Stevie quote above, "Fleetwood Mac, a band whose legacy is rooted in evolution and change, found a new path forward with two hugely talented new members." It was no new path forward, it was a way to ensure the tour obligations were met. If it was really an "evolution" akin to the band's past history, Finn and Campbell would contribute to a new album, but no way that's happening.

They should put out an album called Campell Finn and recreate the Buckingham Nicks cover photo and font.

clearly Lindsay could get along with everyone but Stevie, as there was that 2017 record that by all rights is a Fleetwood Mac record but they couldn't call it that cuz Nicks wasn't involved…

It's hard to really feel like there are good guys and bad guys here, just a bunch of rich weirdos (not as rich as they'd like, I guess) with different priorities. I don't begrudge Stevie being at a point where she's like, "Let's just go out and play the songs people love and get their adulation and money." Or Lindsey still wanting to create new stuff. I can understand both of those POVs.

Team Both Sides.

I've looked at Mac from both sides now

I used to think all these rock stars would age out of their stupid grudges - if Axl Rose can do it, surely anybody can, right? But I guess there’s something in the water in Laurel Canyon that turns everyone into 16 year olds, emotionally, forever. I still think in FM and CSNY’s case things have basically shaken out to separate the children from the adults, even if we’re speaking in relative terms - whether it’s 3 or 4 against 1, the lone guy is definitely the child and the asshole. As much as Lindsey was the architect of the FM sound, we already know he’s an abuser - I really don’t think Stevie has to explain why she never wants to work with him again, but if these tantrums keep playing out in public she might.

With CSNY I always thought Stills was the asshole. Just like with the Eagles I thought Don was king prick. I was wrong. But again you have to add “relatively speaking” with these fucking people.

'scream' is incredible #teamlindsey

Stevie Nicks was nervous. It was 1973, and the then-25-year-old singer and her guitarist boyfriend Lindsey Buckingham were posing for the cover of their first album, “Buckingham Nicks.”

Their record label had asked the duo to look “sexy,” and the bookish Nicks was already feeling self-conscious when the photographer told her to remove her diaphanous white blouse.

She didn’t want to do it. Buckingham lost it.stevie

“Don’t be a f–king child,” the then-24-year-old guitarist snapped. “This is art!”

Nicks and Buckingham met in high school in San Mateo, Calif. They were in a band called Fritz when they decided to move to Los Angeles and launch a career as a duo in 1971.

Yet while Nicks hustled to make rent, cleaning houses and waiting tables, Buckingham, who said he couldn’t work because he had to devote himself to music full-time, would spend most of the day smoking hash with his friends.One time, during a heated argument in front of the band in 1987, Buckingham, the book says, “manhandled Stevie, slapped her face and bent her backward over the hood of his car. He put his fingers around her neck and started to choke her.”

yeah, that 1987 incident was talked about at the time; it's insane how much perfidy we excused for the sake of Solitary Male Genius.