indefensible: john gruber

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real "I pay you so you have to do anything I say" vibes there

stet, Monday, 7 June 2021 17:29 (two years ago) link

so much for his "I'm going to read and learn from having my ass handed to me about Basecamp"

stet, Monday, 7 June 2021 17:30 (two years ago) link

where did he say that?

š” š”žš”¢š”Ø (caek), Monday, 7 June 2021 17:34 (two years ago) link

real "I pay you so you have to do anything I say" vibes there

ā€• stet, Monday, June 7, 2021 1:29 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

hes so transparently ignorant with this companies are not democracies shit, meanwhile at actual apple theyre dealing with the simple truth that keeping employees happy is important to their business

lagāˆžn, Monday, 7 June 2021 17:45 (two years ago) link

On Basecamp, Iā€™ve made a few assumptions that have been right, but more that have been wrong. So I feel Iā€™m better off ā€” for now ā€” listening, reading, and learning, not talking, writing, or preaching.

— John Gruber (@gruber) May 5, 2021

xp

stet, Monday, 7 June 2021 17:47 (two years ago) link

lmao

š” š”žš”¢š”Ø (caek), Monday, 7 June 2021 18:26 (two years ago) link

well a monthā€™s enough of that surely

Tracer Hand, Monday, 7 June 2021 22:16 (two years ago) link

Wait til he hears about trade unions. The gall of these people

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 8 June 2021 12:42 (two years ago) link

would be fun to go to work at apple and be the only person there, riding an electric scooter around the giant loop blasting whitney houston from a bluetooth speaker

lagāˆžn, Tuesday, 8 June 2021 12:54 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

silviojustwhenithoughtiwasout dot gif

Maybe thatā€™s why Chrome is so memory and energy efficient. https://t.co/eVaZvffAkP

— John Gruber (@gruber) August 16, 2021

sktsh, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 17:19 (two years ago) link

John eat a dick

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 19:43 (two years ago) link

I mean Chrome also sucks but yknow

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 19:43 (two years ago) link

some people are just born assholes

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 19:45 (two years ago) link

Heā€™s perfecting it atm though. (also IE 3 was utter shite despite the marriage-destroying crunch so his point is doubly stupid)

stet, Wednesday, 18 August 2021 19:56 (two years ago) link

i wonder if there's a gene for 'will definitely be a douchebag'

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Wednesday, 18 August 2021 20:42 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

He'd be horrified to find out you can buy a $100 Bonavita and a $40 Chemex and have a less cool-looking Ratio Eight.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 5 September 2021 19:02 (two years ago) link

Christ this guy. Say what you will about Wirecutter but theyā€™ve never ever had a focus on the highest end of anything! The whole premise is ā€œhow to spend just enough money to make you happy if you want something good but donā€™t care about spectacularā€

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Sunday, 5 September 2021 23:28 (two years ago) link

You donā€™t need a high end Wirecutter just look at what they suggest and find something that costs 2 to 10 times as much

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Sunday, 5 September 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link

Increasingly difficult to remember a time when this guyā€™s point of view was useful or interesting, maybe it never existed

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Sunday, 5 September 2021 23:29 (two years ago) link

ding ding ding ding

Tracer Hand, Monday, 6 September 2021 09:10 (two years ago) link

is he getting divorced or something? his posting recently reminds me of men I know struggling either with mid-life or with breakups.

stet, Monday, 6 September 2021 14:00 (two years ago) link

heā€™s been divorced from reality for a while now!

the pivot from that era of mid-00s blogging where you could post cool shots from kubrick movies, mumble some stuff about the best way to do web design, fetishize typography, and then talk about the best way to use your apple devices to the modern era completely broke this dude

mh, Monday, 6 September 2021 18:24 (two years ago) link

thereā€™s a different apple-oriented site I go to when I want to giggle at absurdity (macstories) because they really crank it up a bunch of notches. like, an entire series of posts on how to buy thousands of dollars of accessories so you can use your iPad as a primary computer

gruberā€™s just a weird cranky old neoliberal who thinks heā€™s a wonk when he has absolutely zero technical knowledge

mh, Monday, 6 September 2021 18:30 (two years ago) link

i probably keep making that post, donā€™t i

mh, Monday, 6 September 2021 18:48 (two years ago) link

lol mh that is such a brutally accurate dunk of so much manblogging. the sheer volume of this stuff. people who would reverentially re-explain edward tufte and call it a career.

what is ā€œthe modern eraā€ that has broken his brain though? feels harder to nail

Tracer Hand, Monday, 6 September 2021 20:08 (two years ago) link

Yeah great point that I hadnā€™t noticed until you said. Feels to me similar to the loss of gatekeeping authority the old-school print columnists went through.

Like happened with the political correspondents: when their subjects all got themselves on social media, the hacks lost their exclusive access and people could see for themselves what politicians were like, so that just left them with their analysis. Then Twitter and other places filled up with much better analysis. There is little left for the hacks to do but become client journalists.

Same deal with the Grubers and the Mossbergs. You can read more tweets than you can bear directly from every developer out there, you donā€™t need to hang around at WWDC to get access. Typographers arenā€™t these remote artists only read about in design journals printed on 300gsm stock, theyā€™re on TikTok. You can get esoteric French movie stills without being a magazine deep-pocketed enough to pay Mary Evans. There are better and more immediate product reviewers on YouTube who donā€™t have to try and explain the minute differences between iPhone versions in sub-DFW prose but can just ā€¦ show them to you.

So whatā€™s left for Gruber but a combination of Appleā€™s brand of client journalism (see recent defence of the CSAM backdown), challops and ā€œlittle birdiesā€? If Apple staff were allowed tweet heā€™d be done for.

stet, Monday, 6 September 2021 22:19 (two years ago) link

Also fuck markdown

stet, Monday, 6 September 2021 22:19 (two years ago) link

otm lol

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Monday, 6 September 2021 23:22 (two years ago) link

stet nails a lot of it

what is ā€œthe modern eraā€ that has broken his brain though? feels harder to nail
signposts for me:

  • the explosion and then contraction of blogging. his site has that tuned but barely-tweaked moveabletype platform feel. since he started, which he probably feels is classic
  • apple becoming not only mainstream, but ubiquitous. the market for non-developers finding a new apple feature or software api novel or interesting diminished by the month post-OS X release and thereā€™s nothing fringe or counterculture about any of it
  • ā€œcultivating an aestheticā€ was more of a way to create affinity groups among bloggers and readers. post-tumblr and pinterest, itā€™s not an ā€œeliteā€ pursuit
the weird clique of blogging inspired by the ā€œgetting things doneā€ cult and all of the software tools involved in that seem, in retrospect, to be kind of a reaction to what was going on in software development at the time. iā€™m sure there are column inches to be written about organizational strategies, but itā€™s over. half of all cubicle-based industries use some ridiculous task system now and no one is going to seem cool or interesting blogging about that. theyā€™re going to seem like a management consultant or one of those perverts who posts on linkedin

tl;dr every middle manager is gruber now

mh, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 17:04 (two years ago) link

explain the minute differences between iPhone versions in sub-DFW prose

unexpectedly chortled so hard I got a brain aneurysm reading this one

mh, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 17:07 (two years ago) link

the film still thing is such a funny signpost of the blog times

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/ava-duvernay-one-perfect-shot-docuseries-hbo-max-1234728822/

the number of copycat attempts on twitter that seem to get the goal but none of the substance of that ā€œperfect shotā€ aesthetic is amazing, just screenshots of any time the camera pauses on a wide shot in a superhero movie. but thereā€™s still an intellectual curiosity there and opportunity for dialogue than just posting the same still from 2001 thatā€™s likely been printed in a dozen Taschen volumes

mh, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 17:14 (two years ago) link

a big idea of his was software could be usable by being well designed, which is these days much less of a novel idea due in no small part to apple/iphone, he kind of won but now what kingdom is left to conquer, makes you think

lagāˆžn, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 17:17 (two years ago) link

did anyone ever use the iOS notes app he ā€œdesignedā€

it was uh, not good. although he did learn a little bit about the minutiae of file syncing

iirc this was just pre-iCloud document storage and his fan base was large enough they cut some deal to use microsoftā€™s file storage stuff, and then he blogged glowingly about it while anyone who had actually done software development rolled their eyes

mh, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 17:20 (two years ago) link

the big selling points were that it had a nice font and was named after the drink/lady from the james bond movie

mh, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 17:20 (two years ago) link

good work if you can get it (not as good as podcasting tho)

lagāˆžn, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 17:21 (two years ago) link

he weird clique of blogging inspired by the ā€œgetting things doneā€ cult and all of the software tools involved in that seem, in retrospect, to be kind of a reaction to what was going on in software development at the time. iā€™m sure there are column inches to be written about organizational strategies, but itā€™s over. half of all cubicle-based industries use some ridiculous task system now and no one is going to seem cool or interesting blogging about that. theyā€™re going to seem like a management consultant or one of those perverts who posts on linkedin

ā€• mh, Wednesday, September 8, 2021 10:04 AM (three hours ago)

lol

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 20:57 (two years ago) link

it's like the fucked up "wealthy freelancer" fantasy, that you have a lot to do, all of it at your own direction

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 20:57 (two years ago) link

(Disclosure: I use GTD-inspired todo app Things to keep track of job stuff since putting everything in Jira would be insane)

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Wednesday, 8 September 2021 20:58 (two years ago) link

the big selling points were that it had a nice font and was named after the drink/lady from the james bond movie


Youā€™d think the experience would have shown him what product management actually is but obv not

stet, Wednesday, 8 September 2021 21:57 (two years ago) link

I checked to see if itā€™s still on the App Store, and it is ā€” but the last update was Apple auto-bumping their certificate for them so itā€™d still be a signed app. Officially mothballed for five years

I forgot the name of their company to develop the app was ā€œQ Branchā€

jesus christ

mh, Thursday, 9 September 2021 19:15 (two years ago) link

A lot of folks were damaged when Steve Jobs called developers "artists." Some are worse off than others.

Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 9 September 2021 20:44 (two years ago) link

seven months pass...

ā€œChairman Poohā€

š” š”žš”¢š”Ø (caek), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 03:39 (one year ago) link

thought it was really out of line when this guy shot mr takagi

ā€• little dieter wants to FUCK (Princess TamTam), Sunday, June 19, 2011 11:50 AM (ten years ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think about this joke and laugh every time I see this thread revived

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 27 April 2022 04:30 (one year ago) link

six months pass...

loaded it up today for the first time in a while and the latest post was some asinine shit about how much Arial makes his eyes bleed. this guy is probably a terf

G. Dā€™Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Friday, 4 November 2022 23:49 (one year ago) link

hes really mad that apple has ads now but he canā€™t say that so he quotes everyone else saying and then trails off poignantly rip apple

stet, Saturday, 5 November 2022 00:27 (one year ago) link

that's pretty rich for someone whose CSS specifies Verdana first:

body {
font-family: Verdana, system-ui, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}

diamonddave85ļ»æ (diamonddave85), Saturday, 5 November 2022 01:17 (one year ago) link

going to hack his blog and change the default font to webdings

mh, Saturday, 5 November 2022 01:58 (one year ago) link

ā€œcongratulations to the toriesā€

Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 5 November 2022 02:11 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Does he ever claim chowder himself?

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2022/10/27/musk-twitter-open-letter

sofatruck, Friday, 16 December 2022 04:24 (one year ago) link


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