Gooden and I have something in common then!
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 6 June 2021 04:17 (two years ago) link
It wasn’t drugs?
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 6 June 2021 05:27 (two years ago) link
Nah, never touched that!
― Van Horn Street, Sunday, 6 June 2021 15:45 (two years ago) link
I checked in every few innings online last night. I take it he loaded the bases at one point; that's how precarious and improbable chasing Gibson is--one bad pitch can set you back weeks.
― clemenza, Sunday, 6 June 2021 16:28 (two years ago) link
There was an error in that inning so I believe the first run would have been unearned. Also Degrom has in the past been super adept at escaping bases loaded jams unscathed.
― Michael F Gill, Sunday, 6 June 2021 17:31 (two years ago) link
Not especially meaningful, but:
https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-images/image/private/t_16x9/t_w1536/mlb/cdobiao2scbuwhrunhrq.jpg
― clemenza, Friday, 11 June 2021 12:48 (two years ago) link
Only four innings, but I can't resist:
A Thread for Pitchers Who Are Doing Really Well and Are Jacob deGrom
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:18 (two years ago) link
I have a classic second-guess. Snell walks two guys to load the bases with one out, he's upset over a call, and the next batter swings at the first pitch; check swing, inning-ending double play.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:29 (two years ago) link
0.58 at the moment.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:32 (two years ago) link
I'm actually watching. I hardly ever watch baseball anymore. I just fiddle with numbers and spout opinions.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:35 (two years ago) link
You should watch baseball more often in my opinion, especially Vladdy Jr.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:38 (two years ago) link
but yeah every deGrom is fun to watch at this point, feels like post-season.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:39 (two years ago) link
I don't understand that Snell balk.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:45 (two years ago) link
What a guy!
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:46 (two years ago) link
I mean, he almost fakes out the infield on the first pitch, then with two strikes he turns into Rod Carew.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 June 2021 00:47 (two years ago) link
0.56 now
― k3vin k., Saturday, 12 June 2021 01:07 (two years ago) link
6 innings, 80 pitches, 1 hit, 10 K, no walks, 3-0 lead. Unless he asked to be taken out, this seems premature by an inning, at least.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 June 2021 01:10 (two years ago) link
It's probably one of those post-shortened season precautions.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 12 June 2021 01:14 (two years ago) link
rojas gonna rojas
― k3vin k., Saturday, 12 June 2021 01:24 (two years ago) link
The Mets' announcers said deGrom's ERA is the lowest through 10 starts since Marichal in '66 (0.59--his 10th start was a 14-inning shutout!). Marichal's next three starts: 3 ER (9 innings), 6 ER (4 innings), 6 ER (6 innings). He finished the year at 2.23 over 307.1 innings.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 June 2021 01:29 (two years ago) link
I will take VHS's advice and go watch Vlad--3 for 3, double, HR, walk.
― clemenza, Saturday, 12 June 2021 01:32 (two years ago) link
Mets suck
― calstars, Saturday, 12 June 2021 01:42 (two years ago) link
Tendonitis
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 12 June 2021 01:45 (two years ago) link
Didn't realize he's starting tonight against the Cubs. Had to laugh at the latest mlb.com graphic (partly at myself, who's every bit as guilty):
"How deGrom Can Pass Gibson: 20 more starts + 19 more earned runs = 1.09 ERA (assumes an average of 6-1/3 innings per start)"
Which is kind of like saying "How X can pass Y: hit a HR every game for the next three weeks." I think it was the hospitalized kid in the Seinfeld episode who created the graphic.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 22:31 (two years ago) link
He has struck out 4 of the first 5 batters?
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 23:37 (two years ago) link
Yes, he has struck out 4 of the first 5 batters.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Wednesday, 16 June 2021 23:38 (two years ago) link
5 of the first 6 now, but that last guy--a .156 hitter--took him to 11 pitches. So he's thrown 34 through two innings.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 23:42 (two years ago) link
let's go starting pitchers who are named jacob degrom, let's do this
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 23:49 (two years ago) link
Two out, runner on third, knocks in the first run of the game and keeps his average above .400. It's almost comical.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 23:53 (two years ago) link
Yeah it’s kind of expected now
― Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 16 June 2021 23:55 (two years ago) link
Ominous--out of the game after 3 perfect innings (8K).
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 00:16 (two years ago) link
It's just gonna be like this all season huh
DeGrom and Ohtani should be allowed to take steroids for health reasons, for the good of the sport and my mental health
― ✖, Thursday, 17 June 2021 00:21 (two years ago) link
I have this horrible feeling that they'll just shut him down for the season at some point, and it'll be like Williams and Gwynn and Griffey and the Expos in '94 in the what-could-have-been department. But worse.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 00:45 (two years ago) link
right shoulder soreness
― ✖, Thursday, 17 June 2021 01:15 (two years ago) link
yeah you could really tell he wasn’t right when he struck out his seventh straight hitter lol
― k3vin k., Thursday, 17 June 2021 01:43 (two years ago) link
You have to wonder if he was going strikeout ten in a row on a way to no hitter or something. But these small scares also feel like the risk of being so otherworldly. Like, humans aren’t supposed to be doing this.
― Michael F Gill, Thursday, 17 June 2021 02:33 (two years ago) link
it makes me wonder if he’s soft tbh
― k3vin k., Thursday, 17 June 2021 02:44 (two years ago) link
Even if he keeps pitching more or less regularly, it'll probably be close as to whether he even qualifies for the ERA title. Mets have 101 games left; he's at 67 innings, so he needs 95 more. If he got 18 more starts, he'd need to average 5+ per start--not a huge margin of error with him, it would seem. (If he were a hitter going after a batting title, he'd have enough of a cushion that he could fall short of the AB--they'd assign him the necessary 0-for, and he'd still win. Doesn't work for pitchers.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 02:52 (two years ago) link
he's at 0.54 ERA after 67 innings. i'm not so interested in the full season record, at the moment, because injuries happen.
but who else has had a comparable stretch over that shorter amount of innings (67 IP)? the only one i could think of was jack flaherty, who has a 0.70 ERA over a 64 inning stretch from 7/21/21 - 9/8/21. or, cherrypicking that, a 0.50 ERA over 54 innings from 8/1/21 - 9/8/21.
it seems like there would be relievers who approach this? someone with a baseball-ref subscription could probably figure this out in 2 seconds flat
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 June 2021 17:33 (two years ago) link
7/21/21 - 9/8/21. or, cherrypicking that, a 0.50 ERA over 54 innings from 8/1/21 - 9/8/21.
all of those were from 2019, sorry
what year is it
EndofTwinPeaks-TheReturn.jpg
― Michael F Gill, Thursday, 17 June 2021 17:38 (two years ago) link
Did you check Gibson's '68 game log? He must have had a comparable stretch.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 17:39 (two years ago) link
Gibson '68, start #12 through start #22: 8 shutouts, 0.27 ERA.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 17:42 (two years ago) link
how many innings in that stretch?
must have been at least 72 with the shutouts
O_O
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 17 June 2021 17:47 (two years ago) link
99 innings. Come to think of it, the two most obvious are Hershiser and Drysdale when they had their consecutive-scoreless-innings streaks. Hershiser ('88) -- 6 starts, 55 innings, 0.00; Drysdale ('68) -- 6 starts, 54 innings, 0.00.
Gibson's is easily the most impressive.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
Jacob deGrom’s release points from all of his 4-seam fastballs and sliders this season. #Mets #LGM https://t.co/JGeWsQUw2d pic.twitter.com/gmGwNxyLY6— Mathew Brownstein (@MBrownstein89) June 17, 2021
― mookieproof, Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:01 (two years ago) link
so sounds like the injury might not be anything serious
― FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:09 (two years ago) link
Holy shit @ that graph and video. I would like to see what other pitchers' looked like, but that seems like a huge deal.
― Vin Jawn (PBKR), Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:25 (two years ago) link
Yeah, that's incredible. I wonder if his arm speed is comparable too.
I checked Gooden's best stretch in '85, and it was all of Sept./Oct., in the middle of a close pennant race (remember them?) with the Cardinals: 6 starts, 53 innings, 0.34. I won't even check that Leonard guy and whatever it was they were playing 120 years ago.
― clemenza, Thursday, 17 June 2021 20:29 (two years ago) link
His upside is as high as almost anyone who has ever pitched, and I assume that can be enough for a team that already a billion dollar infield. It’s not very logical. The way he pitched during his 2 Cy Young seasons, along with one of the greatest half-seasons ever, that is high level magic/sorcery that everyone wants a piece of, hoping it will rub off on them. It’s almost hall of fame worthy, but it feels like too short of a peak.
― Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 02:00 (nine months ago) link
*already has
― Michael F Gill, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 02:01 (nine months ago) link
I feel bad for him, the team is winning and he obviously wants to compete. On the other hand, he'll be getting 185M no matter what, and the Rangers were dumb enough to roll the dice.
Verlander was a few years older than deGrom when he had TJ and came back better than ever, so I want to be optimistic that we haven't seen the last of peak deGrom.
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 10:19 (nine months ago) link
I watched the deGrom clip. If it's possible to feel sorry for someone who with $185 million dollars, I did--I'm sure he's carrying around a fair amount of guilt in with the disappointment.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 16:22 (nine months ago) link
Missed this piece from a week ago:
https://www.si.com/mlb/2023/06/12/jacob-degrom-tommy-john-surgery-injury-hall-of-fame-career#gid=ci02c19f43b00025c3&pid=1
Kind of funny that he includes Ruth, who seemed to move past the bittersweetness of his aborted pitching career. I know Fidrych's injury happened early, but I might include him instead.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 17:52 (nine months ago) link
Thought of José Fernández, too, but I see he does include both him and Fidrych as a different category.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 17:57 (nine months ago) link
Domingo Germán perfect through seven for the Yankees
― Bee OK, Thursday, 29 June 2023 03:49 (nine months ago) link
Lol wrong thread
― Bee OK, Thursday, 29 June 2023 03:50 (nine months ago) link
xp respect
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 29 June 2023 05:03 (nine months ago) link