first appearance also of matt #2's mysterious-tricycle solution to the cardew hit-and-run
― mark s, Saturday, 5 June 2021 16:28 (two years ago) link
xps would have helped if he was open to actually learning anything from actual (black) popular music & its connection with already existing struggles instead of trying to reinvent the wheel like a typical vanguardist. he’s obviously a unique figure but in that & so many other ways (the confused anti-imperialism, class guilt, hopeless attempts at populism) he feels like such a familiar “type” on the UK left, he’s painful & fascinating to hear/read/read about
― Left, Saturday, 5 June 2021 16:29 (two years ago) link
This is quite a light hearted encounter between Cardew and some stuffy Radio 3 guy (from 1972 probably?) which shows he hadn't quite lost his sense of humour yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oksUcVauHXM
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 5 June 2021 16:38 (two years ago) link
the last time we discussed this (on a monty python thread, to morbs's huge irritation lol) i raised the possiblity that this shared tune has been repurposed from some common-property chant that pre-exists both: i referred to it as the "vote vote vote for nigel barton"
Yeah, this.There's an episode of "the odd couple" where tony randall reminisces about his time in the army and sings "let's hit hitler where he lives" to this tune.I forget what the original is but p. sure it's a British march.
― Fauna Sukkot (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 5 June 2021 17:08 (two years ago) link
I forget what the original is
This is gonna drive me nuts all day
― Fauna Sukkot (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 5 June 2021 17:17 (two years ago) link
I think there might be a scene in "Inherit the wind" which uses it also
― Fauna Sukkot (Deflatormouse), Saturday, 5 June 2021 17:35 (two years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tramp!_Tramp!_Tramp!
Think this is the original.
― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Saturday, 5 June 2021 20:19 (two years ago) link
I think you're right but, just to complicate matters further, I think this also rips off "Tramp! Tramp! Tramp" ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viXBxuSSS6s
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 5 June 2021 21:04 (two years ago) link
... not a Cornelius Cardew composition.
― Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Saturday, 5 June 2021 21:05 (two years ago) link
Could be linked to on any number of threads but the Cardew doc was finally what sold me on this:
https://artdaily.com/news/137857/New-release-showcases-an-eclectic-trove-of-music--poetry-and-spoken-word-made-between-1978-and-1996#.YQGpHy1Q1Bw
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 19:02 (two years ago) link
Among other things, I was reading his account of collaborating with Stockhausen on "Carré", which he really deserved a co-composer credit for, and he had nicely wry sense of humour which comes across in a lot of his other writings - this was later surgically removed by Mao Tse-Tung. One of the things he mentioned, which kinda blew my mind, is that "Gruppen" was performed in Glasgow and a quick Google revealed that not only was it played in Glasgow but it was the UK premiere and it was broadcast live on the BBC!
― Des Weerelds Dool-om-berg ont-doold op Dool-in-bergh (Tom D.), Sunday, 7 November 2021 19:22 (two years ago) link
OK, this is interesting (to me at least) both of Cardew's sons played with the Pasadenas, Horace on sax and Walter on drums:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Whom_It_May_Concern_(The_Pasadenas_album)
A lot closer to pop music than their dad ever managed!
― Someone left a space telescope out in the rain (Tom D.), Tuesday, 1 February 2022 21:52 (two years ago) link
The Great Learning is sick. I will - maybe - educate myself about Caredew's politics at some point, or I may not bother. But right now this piece is some beautiful fusion of Miles Davis/Herbie Hancock like jazz-rock and Ligetian choral Nirvana.
― glumdalclitch, Sunday, 27 November 2022 17:01 (one year ago) link
sat down to leaf thru the lesson books on my sister's piano -- idle sight-reading practice while everyone else is out doing their final xmas shop -- and came across a howard skempton piece by called "well, well, cornelius" (he studied under cardew; unclear from this piece what he learned aside from parallel thirds in several flats and extended-span bassline ostinati)
― mark s, Friday, 23 December 2022 17:12 (one year ago) link
she tells me she plays it and likes it so well done everyone i guess
― mark s, Friday, 23 December 2022 17:17 (one year ago) link
He was one of the three "founders" of the Scratch Orchestra, with Cardew and Michael Parsons.
― Twa pehs an' an ingin ane an' aw (Tom D.), Friday, 23 December 2022 17:20 (one year ago) link
He could be a visionary twat.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 23 December 2022 17:22 (one year ago) link
(xp) I think that meant he coughed up £5 to cover some printing costs, something like that
― Twa pehs an' an ingin ane an' aw (Tom D.), Friday, 23 December 2022 17:24 (one year ago) link
i feel like to be true to the way the scratch orc shd have written all the parts out by hand
― mark s, Friday, 23 December 2022 17:58 (one year ago) link
'visionary' is a pretty twattish thing to be
― ꙮ (map), Saturday, 24 December 2022 02:48 (one year ago) link
it's too early to say
― donald wears yer troosers (doo rag), Saturday, 24 December 2022 07:30 (one year ago) link